07 October, 2008

Getting Stuff Made


Remember the vintage French bars in the photo? They were a standard bar on countless French city and utility bikes for many decades. I wrote about wanting to make them again a few weeks ago. Here's what happened; I found it interesting.

I made some measurements and drew a rough sketch that we gave to our draftsman. He made a proper set of plans that we sent to our agent in Taiwan. The agent contacted several manufacturers.

The first manufacturer was a large company whose name you are certainly familiar with. They asked a large fee for tooling and a huge first order. The second company, a medium sized handlebar manufacturer, wanted a smaller amount for tooling and required a much smaller order. The third company was a new and rather small manufacturer who would absorb the cost of tooling and required an order of only 200 bars. Their per piece cost was a bit higher, but still reasonable.

Since this bar is narrow and very simple in shape I felt we could trust this new company with it. Besides, Tom had already worked on a project with them, in his former job, with good result.

We had almost settled on the third company when our agent sent us a new drawing that was virtually identical to the one we had sent her. It varied by 2-3mm in one or two dimensions. Obviously someone else had had the same idea as us. They had copied the same bar. It seems a fourth manufacture had once made these bars for an unknown company and so already had the tooling and experience to produce them. The cost was somewhat higher as was the minimum production run. But this company has a great reputation and we could skip all the prototypes and minor revisions and inevitable tooling delays.

We should have these bars in 60-90 days. They are narrow, about 44cm (O-T-O) for slipping through traffic. There is zero rise. The bar diameter is 23.8 to accept inverse levers or bar-end shifters. Clamp diameter is 25.4mm. Cost should be around $20.

So the question is, what should we call them? I'll offer a free set of these handlebars for the best suggestion!

79 comments:

  1. Expresso Bars?

    What better way tie-in the French history with modern commuting speed!

    ReplyDelete
  2. How about "staple bar" ? They look like staples, there's the "staple rack" association, and, most importantly, it rhymes with "maple bar" and maple bars are powerful, powerful doughnuts.

    ReplyDelete
  3. A french bar?

    Bistro Bars

    ReplyDelete
  4. "Taureau" (francais for "bull", and these are similarish to bullhorn bars, but with that french flare/flair)

    ReplyDelete
  5. Stick to the French theme. I nominate Montparnasse. You have Montmartre so why not head across town to Montparnasse?

    ReplyDelete
  6. How about
    à presser bar : to squeeze (as in between cars)
    or
    en forme bar: fit bar

    ReplyDelete
  7. How about just Frenchys or Frenchies.... either way.

    ReplyDelete
  8. I like the simple and elegant "ville plate" or "ville plate bar."

    ReplyDelete
  9. I just came in from picking eggplant--how about the 'Aubergine' bar?
    M Burdge

    ReplyDelete
  10. "Le Procope", the oldest coffee house and restaurant in Paris.

    ReplyDelete
  11. Demi Carre (avec accent).

    ReplyDelete
  12. It's the V-O Flarrow.

    FLat n' nARROW.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Grand Cru Cafe Bar
    Grand Cru Cintre Ville Bar or just Ville
    Grand Cru Path Bar
    Townie bar
    Roadster bar

    whew, that was a lot of brain power. Time for a nap.

    ReplyDelete
  14. Skinny?
    Nice curve?
    French?

    Bruni Bar.

    ReplyDelete
  15. It's a simple city bar with a french twist...

    The VO Bar de Ville

    ReplyDelete
  16. I like the VO Pratique Bar. It's a nice simple, no nonsense, do anything bar. Like a more affilirdable version of the nitto albatross. I would love to see a shallower drop version of the soma walker or major Taylor bar. There was an NOS on that I saw at the Recyclery in Portland that was perfect.

    ReplyDelete
  17. How about the Re-Bar

    ReplyDelete
  18. Fu-Bar...

    Or, more appropriately, maybe, "Pastis".

    ReplyDelete
  19. How about either "urbain" or "utilitaire", given your description?

    hal.

    ReplyDelete
  20. I really like Christian's "staple" suggestion. Just to riff on that and add some french flavor:

    French for staple is "agraffe", which is not very catchy, and kind of hard to pronounce. Why not call them "Graff Bars" as a americanization, and ignore the fact that everyone will think you are referring to the tennis player.

    ReplyDelete
  21. Graf is also a single piece of graffiti.

    Dive Bar is already used by S&M for one of their bars. Townie would get us sued right quick by Electra.

    Re-Bar is also in use, and it's a heavy piece of steel used to reinforce concrete- not something we would want to associate Velo Orange with.

    ReplyDelete
  22. Looks pretty square - how about La Place?

    ReplyDelete
  23. How about "resurrecteur"...brought back from the dust of history to shine once again (also a play on "constructeur", I suppose).

    I'm going to have to build another bike now...so many great parts coming out of Velo Orange that it makes my head (and wallet) spin!

    ReplyDelete
  24. I would continue with Paris districts in line with your overall theme. It can't be Left Bank or Montmartre. . . of the really great places left, I'd pick the Marais.

    best,

    michael white

    ReplyDelete
  25. Since these are for a working bike, how about "camionnette" bars (little truck)
    -Tony

    ReplyDelete
  26. I know I probably wont win an awards with this one, but I really think "City Bar" would be best.

    I know it isnt the most creative and we could stay french with something like "Guidon de Ville," but at the end of the day, i think most people looking for these bars will probably be googling "city bars". ( = more sales from non-VO blog subscribers! :)).

    Glad you are making them!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  27. I like "Talon" bars. Naming bike things after birds is always great, and they look a bit like talons. Also Talon is the same in English as in French, I believe.

    ReplyDelete
  28. bar et tabac
    bar à vin
    jean seberg
    eclair
    D.S.
    Small Cargo Bar

    ReplyDelete
  29. 4th version....

    Call it the MkIV.

    ReplyDelete
  30. It might be fun to start naming them after Breton lighthouses, or say subregions of Bordeaux or towns in Calvados. Something a little more off-the-beaten-path than areas in Paris. (Personally there are very few things in the world that touch my sole like the wave-washed lighthouses off Finistiere, which for the most part have insanely cool Breton names. But dat's just me.)

    ReplyDelete
  31. How about "Boulevardier"?
    Tom
    Novato CA

    ReplyDelete
  32. "Madeleine", a name that has come to mean, in English, "something that triggers memories or nostalgia" in reference to a passage from Marcel Proust's In Search of Lost Time.

    In the French novel, when the narrator tastes a madeleine (a small, shell-shaped cake), long-forgotten memories are evoked. I think when people see these bars they'll remember their childhood in the French countryside, as well. Heh. ;)

    ReplyDelete
  33. réverbère

    Chris, don't you have a photo of a bike with the Zepplins mounted? There is nothing to be found on the internets, not even woods.

    ReplyDelete
  34. James asks:

    Chris, don't you have a photo of a bike with the Zepplins mounted? There is nothing to be found on the internets, not even woods.


    Here's a bunch:
    http://flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157606169015639/

    I have them on my Velo Orange Randonneur.

    ReplyDelete
  35. Boulevardier is great.

    Or perhaps you could tip your cap to Chuck Baudelaire and call them Flâneur bars.

    ReplyDelete
  36. Sourire Bar.

    nv

    ReplyDelete
  37. PS- even if I don't win a free bar, I've been waiting for these and I'm stoked they'll be in the $20 range!
    Super work Chris & Tom!
    nv

    ReplyDelete
  38. I just found those photos Steve and they are beautiful, but I meant to ask for photos of the 650B fenders.

    ReplyDelete
  39. Steve, that's one fine looking rig.

    ReplyDelete
  40. I vote for the Rand-town Bar. Get it? Anyway, I am totally psyched about these bars. When I saw them on the site a while back I knew I wanted them. Thanks for making them!

    ReplyDelete
  41. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  42. I'd call them French flattop bars.

    ReplyDelete
  43. Domme Bar, a cool village in the Dordogne region.

    ReplyDelete
  44. Pigalle.
    They're narrow so you can squeeze your way through traffic in an alley in the red light district.

    ReplyDelete
  45. I suggest the Dérive Bar.

    James Black

    ReplyDelete
  46. What about "chouette" (cool)?

    ReplyDelete
  47. How about the Bridget Bar-Deaux ?

    Has a nice ring to it : The VO Bridget Bar-Deaux . . .

    Maybe I shoulda been in advertising ?

    Whatever y'all call it, it looks like a nice shape.

    ReplyDelete
  48. ville radieuse
    or
    radieuse.

    ReplyDelete
  49. How about "Belleville"? A section in Paris, and a nod to a great bicycling movie, "The Triplets of Belleville."

    ReplyDelete
  50. Call them the Nord-Sud Handlebar. The Nord-Sud (North-South) was the Paris metro line that connected Montmartre to Montparnasse, two very important Parisian areas made famous with bohemian artists, poets and writers. Just the kind of people that used their bike daily!

    ReplyDelete
  51. "Cintre-Ville" is cool because it's kind of a french pun. Cintre is handle bar and obviously "centre-ville" is downtown. "The Downtown Town Bar". Nice.

    ReplyDelete
  52. je voudrais t'offrir ça: typhoon bars.
    je suis un regular customer, if i win i can prove my identity.

    or, how about "thank you bars"

    xia xia from a norweigan in denver

    ReplyDelete
  53. I just can't. I'm too boring.

    ReplyDelete
  54. Vitesse handlebars, brings to mind finesse, but with some speed too.

    ReplyDelete
  55. Vitesse bars, like finesse but with some speed too.

    ReplyDelete
  56. Siecle Guidon Century handlebars.



    Frank in the PNW

    ReplyDelete
  57. How about Soiree bars? Also, I'm surprised nobody has suggested Champs Elysee yet.

    ReplyDelete
  58. Calais Guidon.



    Frank in the PNW

    ReplyDelete
  59. Calais Guidon.



    Frank in the PNW

    ReplyDelete
  60. How about the Hulot bar? Unrelated in any way, but it's kinda catchy.

    I like staple, too.

    ReplyDelete
  61. Frenchy city slicker

    DannyB

    ReplyDelete
  62. voyageur
    courier
    rapide
    volante
    nouveau porteur

    a very nice bar, great price to.

    ReplyDelete
  63. Frenchy city slicker

    ReplyDelete
  64. Close to Montmartre, but simpler and more utilitarian.
    La Villette.

    Bill J

    ReplyDelete
  65. How about "Jarret bars". I think jarret is french for "knuckle", as in scraping your knuckles while squeezing between cars or tiny Parisian alleyways in a big hurry to deliver a stack of newspapers.

    ReplyDelete
  66. Provence Bar


    Frank PNW

    ReplyDelete
  67. The best I could come up with is "Chat De Ruelle".

    Regardless, these are the bars of my dreams, materializing before my eyes. I am very excited

    ReplyDelete
  68. the frog bar.

    a slight dig, but whatever....

    ReplyDelete
  69. Wow, 78 comments! I have no time to read them all yet, but I recognize something here that is very important in your story:

    Innovation unlike true invention happens simultaneously across the board. It's very common for people to think they're unique or thinking uniquely... this leads to a tremendous amount of duplication of effort.

    I've learned this because it is extremely apparent in the software world. And so it rings true in manufacturing as well.

    Do new transparency and so called "hyper-connectivity" we have more of an opportunity than ever to pool our resources as is most apparent with open source software to create a new type of innovation.

    This is an effect that works backwards or toward such macro-economic trends like market verticalization or the most apt "walmatization" effect.

    In essence the big idea here is to create a new marketplace of ideas... a walmart of innovation.

    In many ways this is what open source is to software... but that is just one of thousands of forms it might take... and what's more we must ask how would this apply to manufacuring, particularly in the bike world.

    For now... this is it... you're doing it... blogs. Given time and the transparency of blogging... superb search, and other factors of the internet in a broad sense this is the marketplace I'm talking about... it is just ad-hock and non-explicit.. but right now it's getting the job done... as I can see very clearly from the 78 comments.

    ReplyDelete