07 October, 2008
Getting Stuff Made
Remember the vintage French bars in the photo? They were a standard bar on countless French city and utility bikes for many decades. I wrote about wanting to make them again a few weeks ago. Here's what happened; I found it interesting.
I made some measurements and drew a rough sketch that we gave to our draftsman. He made a proper set of plans that we sent to our agent in Taiwan. The agent contacted several manufacturers.
The first manufacturer was a large company whose name you are certainly familiar with. They asked a large fee for tooling and a huge first order. The second company, a medium sized handlebar manufacturer, wanted a smaller amount for tooling and required a much smaller order. The third company was a new and rather small manufacturer who would absorb the cost of tooling and required an order of only 200 bars. Their per piece cost was a bit higher, but still reasonable.
Since this bar is narrow and very simple in shape I felt we could trust this new company with it. Besides, Tom had already worked on a project with them, in his former job, with good result.
We had almost settled on the third company when our agent sent us a new drawing that was virtually identical to the one we had sent her. It varied by 2-3mm in one or two dimensions. Obviously someone else had had the same idea as us. They had copied the same bar. It seems a fourth manufacture had once made these bars for an unknown company and so already had the tooling and experience to produce them. The cost was somewhat higher as was the minimum production run. But this company has a great reputation and we could skip all the prototypes and minor revisions and inevitable tooling delays.
We should have these bars in 60-90 days. They are narrow, about 44cm (O-T-O) for slipping through traffic. There is zero rise. The bar diameter is 23.8 to accept inverse levers or bar-end shifters. Clamp diameter is 25.4mm. Cost should be around $20.
So the question is, what should we call them? I'll offer a free set of these handlebars for the best suggestion!
Expresso Bars?
ReplyDeleteWhat better way tie-in the French history with modern commuting speed!
City Rider
ReplyDeleteHow about "staple bar" ? They look like staples, there's the "staple rack" association, and, most importantly, it rhymes with "maple bar" and maple bars are powerful, powerful doughnuts.
ReplyDeleteA french bar?
ReplyDeleteBistro Bars
"Taureau" (francais for "bull", and these are similarish to bullhorn bars, but with that french flare/flair)
ReplyDeleteStick to the French theme. I nominate Montparnasse. You have Montmartre so why not head across town to Montparnasse?
ReplyDeleteHow about
ReplyDeleteà presser bar : to squeeze (as in between cars)
or
en forme bar: fit bar
Looks like a VO Kismet Bar to me.
ReplyDeleteHow about just Frenchys or Frenchies.... either way.
ReplyDeleteI like the simple and elegant "ville plate" or "ville plate bar."
ReplyDeleteI just came in from picking eggplant--how about the 'Aubergine' bar?
ReplyDeleteM Burdge
"Le Procope", the oldest coffee house and restaurant in Paris.
ReplyDeleteDemi Carre (avec accent).
ReplyDeleteIt's the V-O Flarrow.
ReplyDeleteFLat n' nARROW.
Grand Cru Cafe Bar
ReplyDeleteGrand Cru Cintre Ville Bar or just Ville
Grand Cru Path Bar
Townie bar
Roadster bar
whew, that was a lot of brain power. Time for a nap.
Skinny?
ReplyDeleteNice curve?
French?
Bruni Bar.
Cafe bars?
ReplyDeleteGrand Cru Croissant!
ReplyDeleteIt's a simple city bar with a french twist...
ReplyDeleteThe VO Bar de Ville
I like the VO Pratique Bar. It's a nice simple, no nonsense, do anything bar. Like a more affilirdable version of the nitto albatross. I would love to see a shallower drop version of the soma walker or major Taylor bar. There was an NOS on that I saw at the Recyclery in Portland that was perfect.
ReplyDeleteHow about the Re-Bar
ReplyDeleteDive Bar
ReplyDeleteFu-Bar...
ReplyDeleteOr, more appropriately, maybe, "Pastis".
How about either "urbain" or "utilitaire", given your description?
ReplyDeletehal.
I really like Christian's "staple" suggestion. Just to riff on that and add some french flavor:
ReplyDeleteFrench for staple is "agraffe", which is not very catchy, and kind of hard to pronounce. Why not call them "Graff Bars" as a americanization, and ignore the fact that everyone will think you are referring to the tennis player.
Graf is also a single piece of graffiti.
ReplyDeleteDive Bar is already used by S&M for one of their bars. Townie would get us sued right quick by Electra.
Re-Bar is also in use, and it's a heavy piece of steel used to reinforce concrete- not something we would want to associate Velo Orange with.
How about the Flaneur bar?
ReplyDeleteLooks pretty square - how about La Place?
ReplyDeleteHow about "resurrecteur"...brought back from the dust of history to shine once again (also a play on "constructeur", I suppose).
ReplyDeleteI'm going to have to build another bike now...so many great parts coming out of Velo Orange that it makes my head (and wallet) spin!
I would continue with Paris districts in line with your overall theme. It can't be Left Bank or Montmartre. . . of the really great places left, I'd pick the Marais.
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michael white
Since these are for a working bike, how about "camionnette" bars (little truck)
ReplyDelete-Tony
Frog bar
ReplyDeleteI know I probably wont win an awards with this one, but I really think "City Bar" would be best.
ReplyDeleteI know it isnt the most creative and we could stay french with something like "Guidon de Ville," but at the end of the day, i think most people looking for these bars will probably be googling "city bars". ( = more sales from non-VO blog subscribers! :)).
Glad you are making them!!!!
I like "Talon" bars. Naming bike things after birds is always great, and they look a bit like talons. Also Talon is the same in English as in French, I believe.
ReplyDeletebar et tabac
ReplyDeletebar à vin
jean seberg
eclair
D.S.
Small Cargo Bar
4th version....
ReplyDeleteCall it the MkIV.
It might be fun to start naming them after Breton lighthouses, or say subregions of Bordeaux or towns in Calvados. Something a little more off-the-beaten-path than areas in Paris. (Personally there are very few things in the world that touch my sole like the wave-washed lighthouses off Finistiere, which for the most part have insanely cool Breton names. But dat's just me.)
ReplyDeleteHow about "Boulevardier"?
ReplyDeleteTom
Novato CA
"Madeleine", a name that has come to mean, in English, "something that triggers memories or nostalgia" in reference to a passage from Marcel Proust's In Search of Lost Time.
ReplyDeleteIn the French novel, when the narrator tastes a madeleine (a small, shell-shaped cake), long-forgotten memories are evoked. I think when people see these bars they'll remember their childhood in the French countryside, as well. Heh. ;)
réverbère
ReplyDeleteChris, don't you have a photo of a bike with the Zepplins mounted? There is nothing to be found on the internets, not even woods.
James asks:
ReplyDeleteChris, don't you have a photo of a bike with the Zepplins mounted? There is nothing to be found on the internets, not even woods.
Here's a bunch:
http://flickr.com/photos/97916047@N00/sets/72157606169015639/
I have them on my Velo Orange Randonneur.
raconteur
ReplyDeleteBoulevardier is great.
ReplyDeleteOr perhaps you could tip your cap to Chuck Baudelaire and call them Flâneur bars.
Sourire Bar.
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PS- even if I don't win a free bar, I've been waiting for these and I'm stoked they'll be in the $20 range!
ReplyDeleteSuper work Chris & Tom!
nv
I just found those photos Steve and they are beautiful, but I meant to ask for photos of the 650B fenders.
ReplyDeleteSteve, that's one fine looking rig.
ReplyDeleteI vote for the Rand-town Bar. Get it? Anyway, I am totally psyched about these bars. When I saw them on the site a while back I knew I wanted them. Thanks for making them!
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ReplyDeleteI'd call them French flattop bars.
ReplyDeleteDomme Bar, a cool village in the Dordogne region.
ReplyDeletePigalle.
ReplyDeleteThey're narrow so you can squeeze your way through traffic in an alley in the red light district.
I suggest the Dérive Bar.
ReplyDeleteJames Black
What about "chouette" (cool)?
ReplyDeleteHow about the Bridget Bar-Deaux ?
ReplyDeleteHas a nice ring to it : The VO Bridget Bar-Deaux . . .
Maybe I shoulda been in advertising ?
Whatever y'all call it, it looks like a nice shape.
ville radieuse
ReplyDeleteor
radieuse.
How about "Belleville"? A section in Paris, and a nod to a great bicycling movie, "The Triplets of Belleville."
ReplyDeleteCall them the Nord-Sud Handlebar. The Nord-Sud (North-South) was the Paris metro line that connected Montmartre to Montparnasse, two very important Parisian areas made famous with bohemian artists, poets and writers. Just the kind of people that used their bike daily!
ReplyDelete"Cintre-Ville" is cool because it's kind of a french pun. Cintre is handle bar and obviously "centre-ville" is downtown. "The Downtown Town Bar". Nice.
ReplyDeleteje voudrais t'offrir ça: typhoon bars.
ReplyDeleteje suis un regular customer, if i win i can prove my identity.
or, how about "thank you bars"
xia xia from a norweigan in denver
I just can't. I'm too boring.
ReplyDeleteVitesse handlebars, brings to mind finesse, but with some speed too.
ReplyDeleteVitesse bars, like finesse but with some speed too.
ReplyDeleteSiecle Guidon Century handlebars.
ReplyDeleteFrank in the PNW
How about Soiree bars? Also, I'm surprised nobody has suggested Champs Elysee yet.
ReplyDeleteCalais Guidon.
ReplyDeleteFrank in the PNW
Calais Guidon.
ReplyDeleteFrank in the PNW
How about the Hulot bar? Unrelated in any way, but it's kinda catchy.
ReplyDeleteI like staple, too.
Frenchy city slicker
ReplyDeleteDannyB
voyageur
ReplyDeletecourier
rapide
volante
nouveau porteur
a very nice bar, great price to.
Frenchy city slicker
ReplyDeleteClose to Montmartre, but simpler and more utilitarian.
ReplyDeleteLa Villette.
Bill J
How about "Jarret bars". I think jarret is french for "knuckle", as in scraping your knuckles while squeezing between cars or tiny Parisian alleyways in a big hurry to deliver a stack of newspapers.
ReplyDeleteProvence Bar
ReplyDeleteFrank PNW
My vote is for: Promenade
ReplyDeleteThe best I could come up with is "Chat De Ruelle".
ReplyDeleteRegardless, these are the bars of my dreams, materializing before my eyes. I am very excited
the frog bar.
ReplyDeletea slight dig, but whatever....
Nameless
ReplyDeleteWow, 78 comments! I have no time to read them all yet, but I recognize something here that is very important in your story:
ReplyDeleteInnovation unlike true invention happens simultaneously across the board. It's very common for people to think they're unique or thinking uniquely... this leads to a tremendous amount of duplication of effort.
I've learned this because it is extremely apparent in the software world. And so it rings true in manufacturing as well.
Do new transparency and so called "hyper-connectivity" we have more of an opportunity than ever to pool our resources as is most apparent with open source software to create a new type of innovation.
This is an effect that works backwards or toward such macro-economic trends like market verticalization or the most apt "walmatization" effect.
In essence the big idea here is to create a new marketplace of ideas... a walmart of innovation.
In many ways this is what open source is to software... but that is just one of thousands of forms it might take... and what's more we must ask how would this apply to manufacuring, particularly in the bike world.
For now... this is it... you're doing it... blogs. Given time and the transparency of blogging... superb search, and other factors of the internet in a broad sense this is the marketplace I'm talking about... it is just ad-hock and non-explicit.. but right now it's getting the job done... as I can see very clearly from the 78 comments.