tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post6545241484991339790..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Designing New PedalsVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-85128787350439215942019-07-10T12:52:22.711-04:002019-07-10T12:52:22.711-04:00The British made Constrictor asp pedal takes some ...The British made Constrictor asp pedal takes some beating .It was a beefed up version of the classic lyotard " Marcel Berthet" .It can be used with or without clips.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1950153050418049912013-09-02T23:51:51.918-04:002013-09-02T23:51:51.918-04:00I know this is an old post, but I want to echo the...I know this is an old post, but I want to echo the zillion people above who have asked for a wider version of the Lyotard Berthet. I love the design of that pedal, but my size-12 feet hang uncomfortably over the side. Joe Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-30633079782139524552012-03-09T11:56:47.577-05:002012-03-09T11:56:47.577-05:00Probably the ideal commuting pedal for most of the...Probably the ideal commuting pedal for most of the VO crowd is the Ergon. Pretty much solves everthing except for the aesthetics (it's Euro modern), which is of course a big concern around here. <br /><br />I have numerous MKS pedals and frankly don't find myself using any of them any more. I'm using either Spd or Bmx pedals when not on a fast road bike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-74363527564133767472011-12-10T19:55:36.068-05:002011-12-10T19:55:36.068-05:00I wear street shoes and always ride with clips and...I wear street shoes and always ride with clips and straps. With a size 10.5 shoe, I find the traditional lip on the outside of road quills sits under my soles and is uncomfortable. I've got Suntour XC Pros on one bike and an earlier Suntour mountain pedal (model unknown, more or less the same pedal bottom, sealed bearings, but without the grease guard and with a different shaped cage) and they're perfect. They get bonus points for having cages that are useable on the non-clip side for moments when I need to accelerate in a hurry and haven't had a chance to get my foot into the toeclip. And extra bonus points for the two little spikes coming out of the underside of the bodies, making my hold on the wrong side of the pedal feel that much more OK. <br /><br />The girlfriend's bike has the basic Superbe Pro pedals with quill cages; her street footwear is narrow enough not to be bothered by the outside lump on the cage.<br /><br />Ages ago I had a pair of Suntour Cyclone track pedals (similar body, but with free bearings) and these had one feature I miss on the road and mountain versions: a recessed allen head screw for pinning down the toes strap as it passed through the pedal body. Not really necessary, but it makes a nice finishing touch.Alexander Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13752701465853969600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72030563944215923442011-11-14T18:29:50.068-05:002011-11-14T18:29:50.068-05:00Whatever you guys do make sure your new pedals are...Whatever you guys do make sure your new pedals are wide enough for those of us with big feet. Ideally the pedal should take up to a EEE or EEEE width work boot with no problem.<br /><br />Also make them use high-quality sealed bearings.<br /><br />As for pedal types I can see 3 I might want:<br /><br />1. A one-sided platform pedal for use with toe clips or power grips. They should work with double straps for those that roll that way. As for looks something along the lines of the Lyotard or classic Campagnolo platforms would fit the VO style best.<br /><br />2. Something with the looks of a classic rubber-block pedal but with quality bearings and a solid frame.<br /><br />3. Light semi-classic look double-sided road/touring pedal with good support under the ball of the foot. Should be toe-clip and power grip compatible.Christopher Stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17542828573208066338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-89718304128113917352011-11-09T17:49:19.456-05:002011-11-09T17:49:19.456-05:00I have an old set of KKT Pro Ace quill pedals on m...I have an old set of KKT Pro Ace quill pedals on my commuter, and I use street shoes with no clips or straps of any kind. The cages on these have several tabs and grippy bits that make them very comfortable and easy to get my feet on. I'd jump at the chance to get a similar set of classic styled quills but with better internals. <br /><br />http://velobase.com/CompImages/Pedals/7812965F-30CD-47AB-9C1B-48DBCAE75DB9.jpegAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02159056059432744887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72206559951370535512011-11-04T17:30:05.815-04:002011-11-04T17:30:05.815-04:00My vote, like others is for a Suntour Superbe Like...My vote, like others is for a Suntour Superbe Like pedal. I love how the cages are replaceable and everything can be rebuild similar to TA pedals, but not as fussy.<br /><br />I would also put a vote in for Specialized touring pedals with the extra little platform on the side for wider feet. <br /><br />Ideally, parts could be replaced with current market parts, MKS dust caps, etc. Would also love if they came with a nice set of stainless toe clip bolts.<br /><br />I believe both were made by MKS.seaneeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07062077325097666410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11270739837194954392011-11-03T18:54:43.706-04:002011-11-03T18:54:43.706-04:00Okay. The anonymous slander of Barelli pedals nee...Okay. The anonymous slander of Barelli pedals needs to be addressed. To verify, I took this to the CR list where it was roundly dismissed, although it was suggested that such rumors DO help keep prices down for those in search.<br /><br />In fact, there was a brief window of a Barelli pedal model built on a cartridge bearing rather than the famously milled cones. This model has stress riser issues, although no one on CR knew of actual failure of any pedals.<br /><br />SO, it's mostly about the platform of the B-10, which is quite comfy in soft soled shoes. <br /><br />The Lyotard Berthet platform IS very nice.<br /><br />Cheers.OwenWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17796653907359156270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11998422132500536522011-11-03T12:38:05.684-04:002011-11-03T12:38:05.684-04:00Not to sound like a broken record, but I too would...Not to sound like a broken record, but I too would put another vote in for updated Lyotard Marcel Berthet pedals. I have yet to try those out but they seem very aesthetically pleasing, yet practical. The originals are just too hard to find (a lot of them are with french threading too) and the White Industries version is way out of my price range. I'd definitely put an order in for something similar if it was say $60. I ride my fixed gear bike most of the time, so one sided pedals are kind of what i've been looking for. I incidentally have the Lyotard #36 double sided pedals on my other bike which also look pretty snazzy too...Emorynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6613008130717993112011-11-02T12:48:42.679-04:002011-11-02T12:48:42.679-04:00More pedals? I really love the V.O stuff, but I th...More pedals? I really love the V.O stuff, but I think it unwise to come out with new products that are not really needed just for the sake of doing something new. I poersonally don't "get" the Toe clips renaissance! I rode Toe clips 20 years ago, but the advent of the SPD pedal has made them somewhat obsolete! Sure you still have to wear special shoes with SPD's but there are some good choices and you can always use Platform pedals.<br /><br />It might be interesting to see VO do a new platform pedal, but as others have mentioned there are so many great choices in the BMX arena, that it does not make sense to re-invent the wheel. My current favorite BMX plat forms are Demolition Magnesiums and I have a pair on my Drakkar and my Surly Cross Check! If VO could take the Platform pedal and do something Steam punky with it I might be interested. VO always seemed to lend itself to that aesthetic anyway! My only objection to the BMX platforms is looks anyway, they seem a bit clunky for a fine, non-fat tire bike, but you can't argue with the way the function. Maybe you guys could have a design a platform pedal contest?<br /><br />MASMOJOmasmojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260367964099605460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-91948075939337223402011-11-02T05:46:42.659-04:002011-11-02T05:46:42.659-04:00Another vote for an updated Lyotard Berthet.
The ...Another vote for an updated Lyotard Berthet.<br /><br />The other thing that would be useful is a double-sided platform pedal that's wide enough to use with trail running shoes, will accept toe clips (or PowerGrips/Velcro fixie straps), and has decent bearings and is as small and light as reasonably possible. Would make an excellent everyday pedal for casual use, and also be great for touring in out of the way places, or hwere lots of walking has to be done.<br /><br />Someone mentioned Barelli pedals. Please DO NOT copy these!!! Due to a serious stress raiser, the axles had a 100% failure rate, and Barellis are the only pedals I've ever managed to break. They did look very nice in the shop though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-68614004242892504692011-11-01T15:33:35.170-04:002011-11-01T15:33:35.170-04:00If you disassemble the Lambda, the body is very ge...If you disassemble the Lambda, the body is very generic (see 2:20 in my youtube on the topic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo0YlOqqISs ). I wish VO could make a quality bearing body like this, to which we could attach our Lambda cages, a beartrap cage, a touring cage, a toe clip capable cage, a power grip optimal cage, all to the same top quality body. The parts would be available a la carte. That would be ideal. Please consider exactly that.bubbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17200546574600759584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-32478296563003105422011-11-01T15:31:13.830-04:002011-11-01T15:31:13.830-04:00I will join the chorus of those that would like a ...I will join the chorus of those that would like a modern version of the Lyotard No. 23 that costs less than the White Industries version. The Sakae Ringyo SP-11 was an aluminum bodied pedal using bearing balls that was an improvement on the design. VO could make a big splash with a well thought out pedal based on these designs. Best of luck!Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1294560795919825362011-11-01T13:20:26.966-04:002011-11-01T13:20:26.966-04:00I have two pairs of Berthets stashed away and I...I have two pairs of Berthets stashed away and I'd vote for an updated version. On the old ones the connections between the side plates and the top would fail.Jerry Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-47052584481177899822011-10-31T19:22:08.136-04:002011-10-31T19:22:08.136-04:00How about an update of the Lyotard Berthet?How about an update of the Lyotard Berthet?Pete Ruckelshaushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15020408559096296268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-55865751132780814272011-10-31T19:10:05.244-04:002011-10-31T19:10:05.244-04:00How about a reintroducing the most comfortable,aes...How about a reintroducing the most comfortable,aesthetically pleasing,and understated pedal of all time, the Marcel Berthet platform type 23, originally made by Lyotard? They fit the criteria of randonneurs and were featured on many of the constructeur bicycles of the "golden age". These pedals were simple in design,light weight, and made of pressed steel. The platform includes a rear toe flip making foot entry with toeclips easy. The were made with loose ball bearings. The only problem I have had using them is that the pedal dust caps would sometimes fly off. They could now be manufactured in wider widths, with or without sealed bearings... PleaseStevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-50235673458815511132011-10-31T14:32:35.666-04:002011-10-31T14:32:35.666-04:00Please make a platform pedal in the spirit of the ...Please make a platform pedal in the spirit of the MKS Sylvan touring pedal, more elegant, better bearings and a SHARPER cage (more bite on the soles of one's shoe)!<br />I wouldn't install a BMX style platform on anything I own - they are too chunky/clunky looking. Why not make something beautiful, elegant and light looking? The world is full of BMX platform pedals, sure the bearings may not be up to your standards but there are still a ton of them out there.<br />I vote for elegance!<br />webwebnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72183408757317093922011-10-31T06:19:10.927-04:002011-10-31T06:19:10.927-04:00Speedplay has a swell gallery of pedals from throu...Speedplay has a swell gallery of pedals from throughout history on their website. Hopefully, it offers inspiration for the new design. At the very least, it makes for interesting reading.<br /><br />http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pedalmuseum.introAlexander Scamiltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12295861408915419496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4762657679407372092011-10-30T23:20:45.399-04:002011-10-30T23:20:45.399-04:00In the last two years I have
gone to no clips, and...In the last two years I have<br />gone to no clips, and relatively light weight shoes. I wear size 13, so width is important, I ride in the rain, so grip is important, and with thinner soled shoes I want support at the middle of the pedal as well as the front and back.<br /><br />In my experience the bearings last<br />pretty well with minimal maintenance.<br /><br />My current favorites have not been mentioned: <br />Performance Bike ATB Comp Pedals. Light and thin, with support from the axle in the middle of the pedal, as wide as just about anything, above average grip for a pedal that does not have pins (Way better than the MKS Touring!). <br /><br />It is one sided, but it is not bad pedaling on the bottom for awhile. I think the one-sided aspect helps with pedal strike on a wide pedal.<br />In other words, it is worth it to have a one-sided pedal if it allows for a wider pedal.<br /><br />I looked at the Grip King -- Too Narrow.<br />Traditional Quill style pedals: I need a stiffer sole or they can be uncomfortable. In general my foot is too wide if they are not flat on top. <br /><br />I'm intrigued by the Suntour Bear Trap. Will have to check E-Bay.Robertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-89000390761632386372011-10-30T03:42:07.244-04:002011-10-30T03:42:07.244-04:00I love the TA pedal but also like the Suntour peda...I love the TA pedal but also like the Suntour pedal system. I have XC Pro Greaseguard bodies with road Superbe cages.<br />Phil Brownphilcycleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07037641086503534960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-34489453880295557912011-10-30T02:30:01.969-04:002011-10-30T02:30:01.969-04:00There are lots of two sided pedals out there, the ...There are lots of two sided pedals out there, the market doesn't need any more IMHO. There are some quill style pedals, too.<br /><br />What I'd love to see is a pedal like the old Lyotard Berthet, but better made and wider for modern shoes (the old ones were intended for cleated cycling shoes).Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-12178061223690037532011-10-30T01:34:43.384-04:002011-10-30T01:34:43.384-04:00We already have the grip king, and a plethora of B...We already have the grip king, and a plethora of BMX pedals, so we don't need yet another retentionless pedal. But I'm not aware of any currently made platform pedal for use with toe-clips that's suitable for an adult male (MKS GR-9s are too small if your foot's bigger than a size 10 or so - I hated mine and I'm not the only one). So something like a GR-9 but bigger would be good - I'd buy at least one set.<br /><br />I hate quill pedals, (plus I already have a boxful of take-offs in the basement). Same problem: too small for big feet and the quill pushed into my foot. Plus anything with a thin edge like that is uncomfortable for me in soft soled shoes. Ditto for track pedals, but even more so. <br /><br />@andy squirrel: if you use toe clips, you only use one side of the pedal anyway. And they look better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-80659971970357413332011-10-30T01:30:00.008-04:002011-10-30T01:30:00.008-04:00I can't imagine the market demand for a quill ...I can't imagine the market demand for a quill pedal that costs more than the $50 for the current VO lineup is big enough to merit all the development costs. <br /><br />After working at a bike shop, most people who want to spend more than around $30 on a pair of pedals opt for clipless.I cannot imagine a finer pedal than my XTR spds.Perrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5110477894525206652011-10-29T23:19:31.944-04:002011-10-29T23:19:31.944-04:00I'd love to see a pedal that has one body, and...I'd love to see a pedal that has one body, and the ability to bolt on a couple of different cage styles, from a large, comfy set up for use without toe clips, to a smaller, toe clip compatible style. That way i can change between my commute and a longer sportier ride without the hassle of pulling the whole pedal off the crankarmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-17994491893962905332011-10-29T20:58:00.710-04:002011-10-29T20:58:00.710-04:00I own both VO Touring and Road pedals, and have ru...I own both VO Touring and Road pedals, and have run PowerGrips on the Touring model and toe clips on the Road version. I've recently taken the PowerGrips and toe clips off. I really, really like the Touring pedals, mainly because they are double sided and real grippy. The Road pedals are great, but I don't like the fact that they are one sided, except when using toe clips. One thing I like about the VO Road pedals, compared to other road pedals, is there is enough cage on the outer portion to file off the vertical part! I have big feet and this thing is murder on a long ride! I don't mind having it there, as long as the pedal has a deep enough cage to allow removal without splitting the cage in two pieces. Maybe the ideal thing would be a double sided road pedal that you can add a flip tab to. I also like the idea of being able to use tor clips or PowerGrips with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com