tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post6040713580901020107..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: The Many Manners of TouringVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-48204770914479131882021-10-04T23:04:33.796-04:002021-10-04T23:04:33.796-04:00I think all the categories can be confusing for ne...I think all the categories can be confusing for new riders, not knowing they are all very similardfshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05498307960179834022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-12500999562227800462021-08-30T17:41:50.680-04:002021-08-30T17:41:50.680-04:00@Shannon,
I'd hardly call your second quibble...@Shannon,<br /><br />I'd hardly call your second quibble a "regrettable error."<br /><br />500 years of common use has led to "begs the question" meaning different things to different speakers. Merriam-Webster lists various uses of the term, including: asking a question, asking a question to elicit a specific answer, or even ignoring a question.<br /><br />All of this is ignoring that the phrase it self is a anonymous mistranslation from Latin of a mistranslation from Greek. Horrible Old Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14515840430812106807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67004660946977488682021-08-29T20:40:50.712-04:002021-08-29T20:40:50.712-04:00Well Connor, pretty well disagree with most/maybe ...Well Connor, pretty well disagree with most/maybe half of what you said but instead of getting into it I'll let this picture replace my 1000 words: <br /><br /><br />https://www.flickr.com/photos/24722971@N05/51162801716<br /><br /><br /><br />Mr. Cranky, cuddly curmudgeonly contrarian<br /><br />Mr. Crankyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08362337902997354490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11185854294032444582021-08-29T16:45:39.234-04:002021-08-29T16:45:39.234-04:00Two quibbles:
"Credit card touring" is ...Two quibbles:<br /><br />"Credit card touring" is an activity, "sport touring" is a type of bicycle. Credit card touring is best done on sport touring bicycles.<br /><br />You have stumbled into a very common and regrettable error: "begs the question" does not mean "asks the question." Begging the question is a logical fallacy. It's a form of circular argument, in which one's conclusion assumes an answer to a question not asked, such that the assumed answer is necessary for one's argument to be correct.<br /><br />--Shannon Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07193347689516728859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66582352034354669822021-08-26T17:57:58.438-04:002021-08-26T17:57:58.438-04:00Bike choices and styles of touring are whatever yo...Bike choices and styles of touring are whatever you make it. Any bike can be a touring bike, just like any bike can be a commuter bike. Are the bike choices complicated to first time riders? Sure are. I'm just happy there are plenty of folks getting out there. anniebikeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02737989268380822651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6411516319859891022021-08-26T12:00:56.271-04:002021-08-26T12:00:56.271-04:00If any of the categorized bikes described does not...If any of the categorized bikes described does not come with proper brazed-on rack mounts it's not a touring bike in my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11237116418270592072021-08-26T10:59:35.637-04:002021-08-26T10:59:35.637-04:00Sorry about the spell-check error in my previous p...Sorry about the spell-check error in my previous post. The bike MAY have been "rewarded" but I meant "rewelded."painter46https://www.blogger.com/profile/07576331136866616645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-2267544081725007452021-08-26T10:59:28.106-04:002021-08-26T10:59:28.106-04:00I think all the categorization is great for expand...I think all the categorization is great for expanding the rationalization of more N+1.<br />"But...I don't have a single speed basketpacking nomadic credit card tourer built up with something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue..."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16621051389522058651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-16487643342768209402021-08-26T10:56:51.120-04:002021-08-26T10:56:51.120-04:00Best reason for all the categorization is addition...Best reason for all the categorization is additional rationalization for N + 1.<br />"But...I don't have a single speed basketpacking credit card nomadic T<br />tourer built up with something old, something new, something borrowed and something blue....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16621051389522058651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-51642308157046568122021-08-26T05:42:52.409-04:002021-08-26T05:42:52.409-04:00Connor- me thinks your definition of credit card t...Connor- me thinks your definition of credit card touring missed the mark. It refers to a lack of camping gear, not that the only thing you have with you is literally the shirt on your back and a credit card. Also, I think sport touring would be the lightest one. To me it's always meant basically riding your bike with a camera slung over your back. Also, we need to call out "trekking" here which is a bogus made up category that means absolutely nothing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624906629655476038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-75936622597467349342021-08-25T22:35:06.202-04:002021-08-25T22:35:06.202-04:00This guy knows how to reach his destination!
https...This guy knows how to reach his destination!<br />https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/5048621250/in/album-72157624964150327/<br />(Encountered on the GAP in 2010) His rig had been welded, rewarded and had gussets everywhere it counted - to hold the weight.<br />painter46https://www.blogger.com/profile/07576331136866616645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-80551261116090916552021-08-25T20:30:49.776-04:002021-08-25T20:30:49.776-04:00We need a classification system for touring bicycl...We need a classification system for touring bicycles just like that for trees:<br /><br />TERM EXPLANATION EXAMPLE<br />Family Single or group of bicycles that closely or uniformly resemble each other in general appearance and technical character<br /><br />Genus A group of bicycle species that have fundamental traits in common but that differ in other, lesser characteristics <br /><br />Species A group of bicycles in the same genus made up of similar bicycles (e.g. bikes that can ride on gravel)<br /><br />Variety A subdivision of a species of bicycles having a distinct, though often inconspicuous, difference (e'g gravel racing bikes)<br /><br />Cultivar A variety, selected for one or more outstanding characteristics, that is being cultivated (e.g. ultraromance) <br /><br />Hybrid A bicycle that results from mating genetically dissimilar bicycles (can occur in nature or artificially) (e.g. hardtail MTB with drop bars). <br /><br />Clone A bicycle derived from one parent, thereby being genetically identical to the parent bicycle (e.g. a gravel bike is a 90's MTB). <br />henrywildeberrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-55708680777808771702021-08-25T18:11:04.791-04:002021-08-25T18:11:04.791-04:00Great post! In my circle, I’m somewhat thought of ...Great post! In my circle, I’m somewhat thought of as the guy to talk to about bikes. Invariably the question of what kind of bike a person should buy comes up. After a few minutes of me trying to explain about the many choices of bicycle categories, the listener usually gets a glassy look on their face and wishes they hadn’t asked. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-82474012680557592112021-08-25T17:31:37.106-04:002021-08-25T17:31:37.106-04:00As a near forty year, dirtdancing, bikepacking cyc...As a near forty year, dirtdancing, bikepacking cyclist and hobby bike bag maker, I think it’s good to to divide up touring bikes, for folks new to touring. I feel everyone will have a subconscious preference, due to health, fitness, wilderness fears, level of tolerable comfort, etc.. Sub-classifying them gives the new bike tourer a starting point to figure out what their jam is, and gives a broad education on why gear needs are different.<br />I remember “Bicycling magazine’” in the seventies that had in depth tech articles (written for adults, not the pablum they now put out)) on racks and panniers. Back then there were no subdivisions. I learned to develop my own gear as I broke all the commercial road touring stuff.. in other words, the hard way. I didn’t know hard points broke, that panniers made lots of noise, and wire basket mounts failed off-roading…… until they broke. There were no bikepacking bags. <br />As a newbie, it would have been nice to know how to pick a ‘type of touring’ for my intended use. Disclaimer: I’m a major bike nerd, and the more new categories to drool over, or puzzle over, the better. �� BIKEPACKER FOR LIFE.Claytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05944691676175724241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-44389134614686207572021-08-25T17:31:01.474-04:002021-08-25T17:31:01.474-04:00Bikepacking: put your stuff where your water goes ...Bikepacking: put your stuff where your water goes and water where your stuff goes.<br />(tongue in cheek).Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11698397470514452345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57804775052507171842021-08-25T17:20:05.371-04:002021-08-25T17:20:05.371-04:00The "categories" are really only shortha...The "categories" are really only shorthand for the typical users to which a bike might be put, so they're handy when discussing things provided both parties are au fait with the jargon. There's usually nothing to stop people from using whatever bike they have for another purpose, thiugh sometimes doing so can be frustrating. As for riding randonnees/brevets, the stuff carried has much more in common with Credit Card Touring, i.e., as little as possible. Unfortunately, it appears that in the US the word "randonneuring" has mutated and taken on a life of its own, not unlike Frankenstein's monster.Stephenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04596835674071454063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63246069070733023642021-08-25T17:15:36.361-04:002021-08-25T17:15:36.361-04:00I'm not a "cyclist".
I'm jus...I'm not a "cyclist". <br /><br />I'm just a dude on a bike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-77619289812099653132021-08-25T16:45:27.562-04:002021-08-25T16:45:27.562-04:00Thank you for the enjoyable read. We are forever s...Thank you for the enjoyable read. We are forever splitting categories and refining them to no end. I get the differences here, but ultimately, what these share is: long-distance travel, by bike, with some luggage. Not commuting. Not racing. Just seeing the world by bike. How much luggage, carried in what way, on what tires, with what frame geometry? For sure, everyone will tailor these to their planned voyage and route. Not every little tailoring implies a new category of bike, to be marketed and sold as something distinct. I, like many, have bought into this marketing, and I get it. But I also yearn for some simplicity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-2766933518253927602021-08-25T16:21:28.767-04:002021-08-25T16:21:28.767-04:00Does anybody just ride a bicycle anymore?Does anybody just ride a bicycle anymore?John Freyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12277564090364964525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-45058744144654303992021-08-25T16:16:44.571-04:002021-08-25T16:16:44.571-04:00Where does this fit in?
https://www.flickr.com/ph...Where does this fit in?<br /><br />https://www.flickr.com/photos/8729526@N02/5114393581Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15918348382754851584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42991161636447714682021-08-25T15:44:06.084-04:002021-08-25T15:44:06.084-04:00this is such a great commentary!!! this is such a great commentary!!! Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10176758805485643993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-50937701560561687192021-08-25T14:43:34.762-04:002021-08-25T14:43:34.762-04:00This is a great rundown! I might quible a bit abou...This is a great rundown! I might quible a bit about the "credit card tourer" being quite as pared down as you show. One might still want room for food, a couple of changes of clothes, a book, rain gear, etc, but not shelter. Of course it's different for everyone and depends too on seasonality and where you are traveling. <br /><br />I must say, I despair a little when I hear people talking earnestly about "gravel bikes" as though they've got their heads around it and are enthusiastic about the category. It's awesome to be into riding on dirt roads, but the bikes have been here all along, as well as the dirt roads, they just didn't have the name. In this regard folks sometimes seem a bit clueless, as thought some new type of bike just got invented and NOW they can do a new form of riding. On the other hand, if more folk are feeling free to get off the pavement, that's awesome. Davehttp://www.waxwingbagco.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-77883355750857773192021-08-25T14:32:47.382-04:002021-08-25T14:32:47.382-04:00I love my Campeur. My touring is typically what yo...I love my Campeur. My touring is typically what you have labeled "nomadic". What matters most for this is a wide gear range and rider comfort for long days pedaling.Drew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01635951432688326992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5447073052408239212021-08-25T14:12:42.426-04:002021-08-25T14:12:42.426-04:00I'd never considered strapping a sleeping bag ...I'd never considered strapping a sleeping bag to the back of my Daytripper. This may be a game changer for me! <br /><br />Also burgundy bags are the best color!Smitty2k1https://www.blogger.com/profile/14846629035557794135noreply@blogger.com