tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post5686883720961054199..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: "Rene Herse" Name RevivedVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-69733108227325803822011-04-07T22:58:03.833-04:002011-04-07T22:58:03.833-04:00I have a blue "Boulder" bicycle. It has...I have a blue "Boulder" bicycle. It has a mountain decal on it. It sounds exactly like what Mike was asking about. It has Shimano components and is stamped "Made in Taiwan".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87769439094016930682010-12-02T22:58:54.289-05:002010-12-02T22:58:54.289-05:00Does anyone know anything about a road bicycle nam...Does anyone know anything about a road bicycle named "Boulder" that is reportedly made in Taiwan? The bike is in no way made in Boulder, Colorado. Painted blue with lug construction. Mike of Boulder bikes confirmed no parts are made in Taiwan. <br /><br />It may be a counterfeit, but could it be a legit Taiwan-made bike?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05185416363405827448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63540296728323355262009-03-26T07:37:00.000-04:002009-03-26T07:37:00.000-04:00Michael Kone is offereing a line of more affordabl...Michael Kone is offereing a line of more affordable bikes called <A HREF="http://www.renehersebicycles.com/Randonneur%20bikes.htm" REL="nofollow">Boulder Bicycle</A> that based upon the Herse geometry and cost about $3,000. <BR/>These are fully equipped (fenders, rack, lights) and have been recently been reviewed very favourably by <A HREF="http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/contents.html" REL="nofollow">Bicycle Quarterly, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Spring 2009)</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4138349598187902222009-02-28T15:24:00.000-05:002009-02-28T15:24:00.000-05:00Well, it's certainly an ambitious project, but at ...Well, it's certainly an ambitious project, but at the price levels I've heard of, I wouldn't put a 3 dollar bill on that venture. Plus the real Herses are still coming out of the woodwork at an alarming rate, and are likely to for a long while to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87879269006133645322008-04-04T23:21:00.000-04:002008-04-04T23:21:00.000-04:00Putting the Herse name on a bike made in Boulder d...Putting the Herse name on a bike made in Boulder doesn't bother me as long as the finished product lives up to its claims. Sometimes a super-custom product turns out great. Sometimes an intelligently-designed production model does the job just as well at half the price. Maybe the TIG-welded jobs from the new Herse's sister company, Boulder Bicycles, will turn out to be the better bargain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31935364300649833082007-08-11T16:54:00.000-04:002007-08-11T16:54:00.000-04:00Herse made few frames personally, and less and les...Herse made few frames personally, and less and less as time progressed. He had talented hired help. He was more of a machinist and businessman, and conceptualizer. Remember that RH's popularity was unfairly exaggerated by his relationship with Rebour, who promoted Herse by his position at Le Cycle. As a person he was not well liked, even despised, including by his daughter. Because documentation itself gives "credibility" to almost anything, this explains the disproportionate<BR/>prestige of RH cycles. RH was also savvy enough to "sponsor" the best riders in the era to produce impressive showings in the various "epreuves", and of course, this was all highlighted by Rebour. These facts are not meant to (and do not)<BR/>detract from the innocent machines themselves. Studied as a quantity, RH bicycles vary as much as any handmade "quantity", price being a large influence. His membership in the FFCT "morally required" him to offer a "Federal" model, for example. "Innovation" is difficult to ascribe other than to perhaps the stems. He borrowed the internal wiring/sprung bushing theme from somebody else (local). Oversized downtubes, internal cables, nice racks, nice work, fancy cantilevers, roller brake hangers, SKF BB bearings, etc... were ALL common amongst the elite builders of the day, although you wouldn't guess that because Rebour didn't tell you. Lily's performance in World Championship events didn't hurt either, but that was HER, not the bike. In the end we have a 40 year production, dominated by above average to very nice, but sprinkled with mediocre and even bad. Completely normal and understandable. The "religion" is<BR/>beyond practical reasoning, and is primarily a derivative of the documentation, and the fact that until now (sort of) only the French of the 40's-70's (NOT currently) and the Japanese of the 40's till present, shared the same bicycle "culture". <BR/><BR/>As to the "credibility" of carrying on a name/tradition of bike making,<BR/>it's a relatively neutral thing, colored by perception/reputation of the brand. Hence the above fairly accurate assessment. It has practical/buy-able business strategy, and will "work" with a limited client base who go to that church. There's reasons why the name WAS sold, and why there was no French buyer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41563804183084690262007-07-15T21:16:00.000-04:002007-07-15T21:16:00.000-04:00one word.....WRONG....one word.....WRONG....sspielmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09063711291631837086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41296526068646164742007-06-22T14:11:00.000-04:002007-06-22T14:11:00.000-04:00Oh, they will be excellent bikes and I think tru t...Oh, they will be excellent bikes and I think tru to the randonneur spirit with some new treats.<BR/><BR/>I think the thing that made the RH special was the little touches like trick wiring inside the frame. I do hope they won't try to replicate those and instead work towards a top quality, well executed, beautiful product that pleases the owner on the road and when displayed in the living room. <BR/><BR/>Think dynamic sculpture.<BR/><BR/>I recently had the opportunity to ride Chris' "Velo-Orange" (altho it was painted silver!) and was very pleased with its ride and appearance. I would have preferred slightly narrower bars, but that's a matter of preference.<BR/><BR/>It is so cool to see a randonneur resurgence, and this can only be good for the sport and the people in it.<BR/><BR/>Bonne chance Mike and Markmpetry912https://www.blogger.com/profile/02434530239246909594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-36642305411190704852007-06-21T22:38:00.000-04:002007-06-21T22:38:00.000-04:00The cranksets would definitely make the whole thin...The cranksets would definitely make the whole thing worthwhile.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317200743222648289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-2322129023768051012007-06-21T22:21:00.000-04:002007-06-21T22:21:00.000-04:00While it's not a new Rene Herse, I have a 2004 Ale...While it's not a new Rene Herse, I have a 2004 Alex Singer. <BR/><BR/>While its a fine bike, if I had to do it all over again, I'd buy one of Peter Weigle's creations over just about anything out there - past or present Rene Herse's included.<BR/><BR/>Funny thing, it's Mike K's JP Weigle and his comments (as well as others) on how it rides that really showed me what the pinacle of such bikes could be.<BR/><BR/>So, while I know Mike and Mark and consider them both friends I'd be more interested in a bike with Mark's own name on it than one created by Mark but wearing RH labels. <BR/><BR/>(and Peter, if you'd be interested in trading one of your fine creations for my Alex Singer, I'm definitely open to the idea)<BR/><BR/>If nothing else, I hope this brings more work Mark's way. Between this, Rivendell's work, and his own named framesets I hope he's very successful (as I wish for RS, JPW,...)<BR/><BR/>I do wonder if Mike and Mark will bring back RH style stems and cranksets. Now that'd be COOL !<BR/><BR/>John Price<BR/>Aurora COAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4242912202851850592007-06-21T12:05:00.000-04:002007-06-21T12:05:00.000-04:00I hope it's a tightly worded license that doesn't ...I hope it's a tightly worded license that doesn't include the right to sublicense. Otherwise we may see Chinese-built Rene Herse bikes showing up at Wal-Mart.<BR/><BR/>Also, I wonder what the royalty rate is. If Mr. Nobilette sells 50 bikes a year at $10K apiece, and the royalty rate is, what, 5%, that's a paltry $25K a year to the Herse estate that this legendary marque has been sold for. I reckon all three of those numbers are higher than will actually be the case. As they say, life is cheap.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42942914738317264302007-06-21T11:09:00.000-04:002007-06-21T11:09:00.000-04:00Anonyme said... what is 'atmo'?M Burdge it's frenc...<B>Anonyme said... </B><BR/><I>what is 'atmo'?<BR/>M Burdge </I><BR/><BR/>it's french for <I>my way.</I><BR/>very sinatra, n'est-ce pas?e-RICHIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004654079480170475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-85468665933167611452007-06-21T10:50:00.000-04:002007-06-21T10:50:00.000-04:00what is 'atmo'?M Burdgewhat is 'atmo'?<BR/>M BurdgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-68662838706503315092007-06-21T08:59:00.000-04:002007-06-21T08:59:00.000-04:00Anonyme said... Yo - time for you living framebuil...<B>Anonyme said... </B><BR/><I>Yo - time for you living framebuilders to start contemplating the licensing name game - why leave it up to your relatives? Time to put feelers out now...sell your rights while you're still alive to enjoy them. And turn them into a real monument...buy the naming rights to the East Haddam Bypass, turn it into Weigle Way....West Maple Street into Sachs Street. Merely a few modest suggestions. </I><BR/><BR/>i agree.<BR/>the White House move on that vanilla guy's part was a great move. sacha took no prisoners with that one atmoe-RICHIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004654079480170475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31131913669191737672007-06-21T07:41:00.000-04:002007-06-21T07:41:00.000-04:00Yo - time for you living framebuilders to start co...Yo - time for you <I>living</I> framebuilders to start contemplating the licensing name game - why leave it up to your relatives? Time to put feelers out now...sell your rights while you're still alive to enjoy them. And turn them into a real monument...buy the naming rights to the East Haddam Bypass, turn it into Weigle Way....West Maple Street into Sachs Street. Merely a few modest suggestions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87796012124592258222007-06-20T22:35:00.000-04:002007-06-20T22:35:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reference Libraryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979302086402829286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5382755597007829362007-06-20T21:55:00.000-04:002007-06-20T21:55:00.000-04:00Who wants to explain that their bike is not a "rea...Who wants to explain that their bike is not a "real" Rene Herse?Joe Bernardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03879479299578269328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-27666019873273174412007-06-20T21:37:00.000-04:002007-06-20T21:37:00.000-04:00I have seen several Nobilette's and think he is a ...I have seen several Nobilette's and think he is a talented builder.<BR/><BR/>Doing it this seems to me a disservice to both the Herse legacy and to Nobilette's. On the one hand, Rene Herse bikes are bikes made by Rene Herse or at least in his shop under his watch. On the other, Nobilette seems almost to be suggesting he needs more of a draw than his consistently excellent work to sell bikes.<BR/><BR/>If anything, I like the idea stated above: Mark Nobilette's Rene Herse model.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317200743222648289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-21627797235663088832007-06-20T20:23:00.000-04:002007-06-20T20:23:00.000-04:00Anonyme said... The bikes will tell the story, buy...<B>Anonyme said... </B><BR/><I>The bikes will tell the story, buying the name is marketing. Whether you think such marketing is in good taste is, well, up to you. Perhaps the bikes will overcome my own sense that some things, like reviving the name "Rene Herse," would have been something better left alone. </I><BR/><BR/>the word on the street is that this very endevour is going to raise the tide for all steel/traditional framebuilders. <BR/><BR/>and i quote:<BR/><I>"Through the marketing and publicity of RH, I hope that all the fine builders benefit as the pie is made larger."</I><BR/><BR/>that's cool, huh!e-RICHIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004654079480170475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-79813309615604329702007-06-20T19:56:00.000-04:002007-06-20T19:56:00.000-04:00The bikes will tell the story, buying the name is ...The bikes will tell the story, buying the name is marketing. Whether you think such marketing is in good taste is, well, up to you. Perhaps the bikes will overcome my own sense that some things, like reviving the name "Rene Herse," would have been something better left alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-38574852501987124612007-06-20T17:52:00.000-04:002007-06-20T17:52:00.000-04:00Michael,,, You spelled Bleu right,,,I did not,,,S...Michael,,,<BR/> <BR/>You spelled Bleu right,,,I did not,,,<BR/><BR/>So now its my turn,,, oops! :~)peter weiglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240744402543977350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-89355718992504682842007-06-20T17:38:00.000-04:002007-06-20T17:38:00.000-04:00oops! Bleu fonce, noted. slinking away in shame....oops! Bleu fonce, noted. slinking away in shame...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-81912741539055827772007-06-20T17:29:00.000-04:002007-06-20T17:29:00.000-04:00Until 2 weeks ago I had 3 1959 Rene Herse bikes in...Until 2 weeks ago I had 3 1959 Rene Herse bikes in my shop, (now down to 2.)<BR/> Each one had a different set of lugs, and the shapes were not at all the same, this in the same model year...<BR/>From my perspective there is no definitive, or patented RH shape.<BR/>There is a general shape that could be called Herse style,,, but there were differences.<BR/><BR/>Blue Fonce is the Singer house color, not Herse...peter weiglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18240744402543977350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5263728619126128092007-06-20T16:18:00.000-04:002007-06-20T16:18:00.000-04:00On the website they state that the shape and style...On the website they state that the shape and style of the Rene Herse lugs will be strictly followed. I don't know if that's the essence of Herse, is it? Niobilette may turn bipolar from the ornate Rivendell lugs and the simpler Herse luges.<BR/>Will they still have "retro" touches such as chroming and box-lining? Did they get the secret paint code to "bleu fonce"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-30946782004473806842007-06-20T15:57:00.000-04:002007-06-20T15:57:00.000-04:00Chris Kulczycki said... The website is up, sort of...<B>Chris Kulczycki said...</B> <BR/><I>The website is up, sort of:<BR/><BR/>http://renehersebicycles.com/<BR/><BR/>Planing is apparently not an option.</I><BR/><BR/>chris - you have to belong to<BR/>the O'Hare Club for Men atmo.e-RICHIEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13004654079480170475noreply@blogger.com