tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post4570418061905118794..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Wheels and RimsVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72126148709519747472016-08-11T07:36:06.468-04:002016-08-11T07:36:06.468-04:00All the contents you mentioned in post is too good...All the contents you mentioned in post is too good and can be very useful. I will keep it in mind, thanks for sharing the information keep updating, looking forward for more posts. Thanks<br /><a href="http://www.carbonspeedcycle.com/product-category/bike-rim-only/" rel="nofollow">track rim</a><br />cafesemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06970630528888544230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-43330342519592505992015-09-18T17:14:09.603-04:002015-09-18T17:14:09.603-04:00The rear is spaced at 120mm, but there is room for...The rear is spaced at 120mm, but there is room for a couple of 5mm spacers should I decide to use them on a road frame.<br /><a href="http://www.zenetti.com/" rel="nofollow">custom wheels</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720274091094712578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6254158544036918192009-01-21T17:03:00.000-05:002009-01-21T17:03:00.000-05:00with regard to 650b rims, I would rather see a qua...with regard to 650b rims, I would rather see a quality product in the same class as velocity's synergy at approximately the same price range. At the moment, for randonneuring application which may involve 42mm tires, besides the Synergy, my only other option is Grand Bois's rims.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03991895435591324772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49500216574170652672009-01-06T00:24:00.000-05:002009-01-06T00:24:00.000-05:00The rim you need at VO is the Salsa Delgado. It's ...The rim you need at VO is the Salsa Delgado. It's got classic retro looks, with a simple box profile--no shoulders like the CR-18, and it has eyelets. Strong as heck, and from what I hear from my buddies that have built a few--it's very consistently round. Ten bucks more retail than a CR18, but more consistent in quality. 515g--so it's in that perfect weight window--just a smidge more material than an OP to make a nice durable, but light rim.<BR/><BR/>Another rim, that's quite lowly that I love dearly, is the Alex DM18--basically a "gordo" CR18. It's 600g of stupid strong, same looks as a CR18, and with a Pasela in 32-35, you get an inexpensive rim/tire combo that rides great and can handle crazy loads. ~$20.<BR/><BR/>Agree with many of the posters about single wall rims. I had to rebuild a wheelset onto fresh rims this last winter because I put two flat spots on the Rigidas on my utility bike. The impact was with a 2" concrete lip--the DM18s I laced up wouldn't have batted an eye. That said, I've built very durable wheels on single wall rims such as the Alex X404-a great 27" rim if you're restoring a Sprite or similar--they just won't handle a severe hit like the multibox stuff.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06636707304628067424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-78799634309730197582008-12-28T11:19:00.000-05:002008-12-28T11:19:00.000-05:00Surly owners might be a good market for those whee...Surly owners might be a good market for those wheels. <BR/><BR/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/onehappycog/2623876902/in/pool-417924@N22Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-61618218355977877242008-12-24T08:14:00.000-05:002008-12-24T08:14:00.000-05:00Actually hubs are not made by Surley, Sun, IRO, V...Actually hubs are not made by Surley, Sun, IRO, Velocity, etc, but for them There are a lot of factories that make track hubs in Taiwan, but two or three of them are really really good at it and those are the ones that all the above companies use. In the old days there was a lot of inexperienced experimenting that resulted in some marginal hubs. But today these two factories have it pretty much all figured out and so the hubs they make are very reliable. Of course a company could spec cheaper bearings or axle, but the difference in cost is minimal so most manufacturers stick with better parts. Hubs, like cars, computers, and cameras, gotten more reliable over the years.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-24304370636551389252008-12-21T17:19:00.000-05:002008-12-21T17:19:00.000-05:00If you look on eBay or in other places, you can ge...If you look on eBay or in other places, you can get a Phil rear flip-flop for not much more than $100, as I did. Wouldn't dream of buying any other fixed or flip-flop hub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-50533600029044670582008-12-20T00:29:00.000-05:002008-12-20T00:29:00.000-05:00I would like to respond to the wiseman who stated ...I would like to respond to the wiseman who stated that miche and surly hubs are made by formula. The miche hubs are made in a factory in Italy, feel free to check it out for yourself. The surly hubs are made in Taiwan but not by formula. HaHa, please do more research.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60777938326182626602008-12-19T17:01:00.000-05:002008-12-19T17:01:00.000-05:00for the record i like buffalo trace bourbon not br...for the record i like buffalo trace bourbon not brandy. that was just for effect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5872591687167078752008-12-19T16:56:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:56:00.000-05:00there was plenty of american over priced shit. i ...there was plenty of american over priced shit. i mean, grafton cranks, topline cranks, kooka cranks... light, looked great (er for the time..) but breaky breaky! i really like the concept of made in america, and some pull it off: white ind, paul, phil, king... uhhhh... wound up? uuhhhhh... anyway, yeah the new am classic hubs are nice and light and decently made, and i would get them if my phils werent so nice. actually i wouldnt. i would get white ind hubs. but whatever. argh where is this all going. no where. fetch me my brandy...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-47714605047782757452008-12-19T16:54:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:54:00.000-05:00art school anon: is that you CTP?art school anon: <BR/><BR/>is that you CTP?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-91611142267899883132008-12-19T16:45:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:45:00.000-05:00d00d: ya need to throw them in the washing machine...d00d: ya need to throw them in the washing machine and wear em wet.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-71581941058933318942008-12-19T16:27:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:27:00.000-05:00If you plan on stocking fixie / single speed stuff...If you plan on stocking fixie / single speed stuff could you look into having some REALLY tight pants made ? Right now I have to buy all my pants down at the kids section of ThriftTown, and sometimes the selection is not very good. I'm 6 foot tall and 125 lbs. and we need something around a 20" - 22" waist or so. The tighter the better - or else all my friends at Art school make fun of me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31073280648638506032008-12-19T15:26:00.000-05:002008-12-19T15:26:00.000-05:00johnson- but they were made in america. are you sa...johnson- but they were made in america. are you saying made in usa is overpriced shite? <BR/><BR/>in all seriousness, American Classic quality improved considerably when their tooling was moved to Taiwan.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-19830526301721081722008-12-19T13:22:00.000-05:002008-12-19T13:22:00.000-05:00american classic freewheel hubs were rubbish. the...american classic freewheel hubs were rubbish. the bearings were irreplacable, too small, and easy to contaminate. i bought an NOS pair, greased them after every rain ride, and they lasted less than a year. rubbish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-55711056605953653052008-12-19T11:51:00.000-05:002008-12-19T11:51:00.000-05:00anon wheel guru: Surly hubs are made by formula. M...anon wheel guru: <BR/>Surly hubs are made by formula. <BR/>Miche hubs are made by formula. Cold forged shell. In Taiwan!<BR/>hahaha!!!!!<BR/><BR/>For want of nail! more indscrabbible than you of belief!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-56379293966542863062008-12-19T09:40:00.000-05:002008-12-19T09:40:00.000-05:00All of this about the formula track hubs having qu...All of this about the formula track hubs having quality issues is rubbish, I've been prowling the fixed gear forums (BFSSFG, chifg, etc...) for years and I've never heard of a failure that wasn't the result of either a junky cog/LR or an amateur install job. The only quality issue with these hubs is that many of them we shipped with lock nuts that were a little too brittle and could crack if really torqued down, but replace them with a garden variety lock nut for $1 and you're good to go. But anyway, the naysayers are off base here, the FG community regards the formula hub as the best thing since sliced bread. You can strip any hub if you don't know what you're doing, it's a steel cog on Al threads. Some day we'll all abandon the silly notion of applying force to a threaded interface in both directions and adopt something like the disc brake standard, the White splined interface, or the Level system for attaching FG cogs, but until then people are just going to have to learn to be careful with the chain whip.<BR/><BR/>For the person who asked about the chain line, these are standard 42mm, meaning that the cog seats against the hub at 36mm. Most cogs are about 6mm to the center of the teeth, so you get 42mm for the actual chainline, though as Sheldon documented cogs seem to be getting a little wider, out to perhaps 43.5mm but nothing to worry about - your frame flexes more than that, and you can drop in a spacer at the BB if you find you're dropping your chain or hearing noise. Once you pass 2mm off you have a problem, as Surly learned when they spec'd the the crank at 45mm and the hub at 42mm on the Steamroller. They said it was fine for years, but then quietly corrected it when they updated the model.<BR/><BR/>Sheldon's cog measurements were one of the better jokes he ever played on the world, he did them to the 100th of a mm or something like that to poke fun at those who worry a bit much about their chainline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-73177410797708287872008-12-19T08:22:00.000-05:002008-12-19T08:22:00.000-05:00I agree with nv's on the need for someone to impor...I agree with nv's on the need for someone to import the Araya rims. Speaking of which, Araya makes a while bunch of very nice 650A (aka. 26" x 1 3/8") rims which to my knowledge nobody is yet importing. It's such a shame these are not available here! Fenders for 650B should be compatible with these tires. <BR/><BR/>They are listed under "standard" <BR/><BR/>http://www.araya-kk.co.jp/rim/product.htm<BR/><BR/>Also I must agree with keithwwalker on the need for more wheelsets with the Sturmey Archer dynohub/drum brake. <BR/><BR/>Frankly I think the internally-geared rear hubs have progressed to the point that it's time forget about cassettes outside of "competition events" and move on. <BR/><BR/>In any case tests I looked at showed an oil-lubricated SA 3 speed to be more efficient in middle gear than any derailur system. If you really must have a fixed gear, why not wait just a bit longer and get the S3X Fixed Gear 3 Speed that SA is about to roll out? <BR/><BR/>The anticipation is killing me!<BR/>http://sunrace-sturmeyarcher.blogspot.com/2008/11/s3x-fixed-gear-3-speed-update.htmllee.watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00650449275019133632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22174140890977970972008-12-19T01:02:00.000-05:002008-12-19T01:02:00.000-05:00I would like to leave a response to the reinvent t...I would like to leave a response to the reinvent the wheel comment, a properly built wheel will last until the rim braking surface gets so thin that the rim cracks. Which even if you ride hundreds of miles a week will take years to wear the rim surface down this thin. The formula hubs are prone to failure, get on a fixed gear forum. I have had better luck with the surly hubs, and miche, which are both inexpensive options. The surly hubs retail for $129.90, the miche usually retail for around $140.00 a set. The bicycle wheel is a engineering marvel, weight versus load capacity. But please feel free to "reinvent the wheel", mags and carbon wheels are heavier without being stronger. I agree that sun and velocity make some nice rims but formula hubs don't cut the mustard. Please charge $20 more and build the wheels with higher quality hubs (miche please) made in Italy, cold forged hub shell, sealed bearings, solid grade 5 steel axle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-82047822558571777822008-12-19T01:01:00.000-05:002008-12-19T01:01:00.000-05:00You folks are mostly talking ss/fg, but I'd like t...You folks are mostly talking ss/fg, but I'd like to plug the need for a better rear hub. Check out this page from this 'frozen in time' website; http://www.bikepro.com/products/hubs/hubs.shtml<BR/><BR/>My favorite is the American Classic. I would like to see another 135mm hub that can take a six or seven speed IRD freewheel and not have the dish issues that Shimano currently offers. That's my plug. : )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-18619530309410196552008-12-18T23:19:00.000-05:002008-12-18T23:19:00.000-05:00Chris/Tom,Any idea if Araya rims could be imported...Chris/Tom,<BR/>Any idea if Araya rims could be imported at a reasonable price? A quick glance at their website shows a few good looking options...<BR/>These two jumped out at me:<BR/>http://tiny.cc/cLZj9<BR/>http://tiny.cc/2WL8yAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-29434557093421485352008-12-18T22:38:00.000-05:002008-12-18T22:38:00.000-05:00Just to clarify, my comment about BB effect on cha...Just to clarify, my comment about BB effect on chainline was specific to fixed gear setups, and also most single speeds. Every fixed gear hub has the cog threads some certain distance from the center of the wheel, and there is little room for adjustment. <BR/><BR/>The link works even though part of it is obscured.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-77744019181718348232008-12-18T22:33:00.000-05:002008-12-18T22:33:00.000-05:00Once again: Man, I miss Sheldon!Here is a good art...Once again: Man, I miss Sheldon!<BR/><BR/>Here is a good article about chain line. BB size has little to do with chain line other than making some combinations of parts incompatible.<BR/><BR/>http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ch.html#chainlineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-81465848635522762812008-12-18T22:04:00.000-05:002008-12-18T22:04:00.000-05:00"Would anyone know the exact chainline for this wh..."Would anyone know the exact chainline for this wheelset? " <BR/><BR/><BR/> is chain-line a function of wheelset or bottom bracket size ? Dude , I is confused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-14926459440993495172008-12-18T21:28:00.000-05:002008-12-18T21:28:00.000-05:00come on guys , you know you want it too: http://ww...come on guys , you know you want it too:<BR/><BR/> <BR/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/33578454@N00/3047693662/sizes/o/in/pool-417924@N22/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com