tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post2388431272907025160..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Brett's Rando FrameVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-791047571376377642008-03-22T22:31:00.000-04:002008-03-22T22:31:00.000-04:00re: Holdsworth If it doesn't fit you could sell it...re: Holdsworth <BR/>If it doesn't fit you could sell it on eBay. It should still fetch decent $ even if the condition is poor but sound. Put the $ into more bike projects.ChrisCullumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645176987387516756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49289533097224841852008-03-22T21:43:00.000-04:002008-03-22T21:43:00.000-04:00SBS:Thanks for the link. Good stuff. I won't get...SBS:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the link. Good stuff. I won't get rid of the Holdsworth, but heck if I know what to do with it. Too nice to bring back to the dump, but too trashed to sell. And it's a 62cm frame! I'm only 5'10".Ian Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14721391514711042385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-9572113917531504922008-03-22T14:02:00.000-04:002008-03-22T14:02:00.000-04:00Agreed. It's the precision of the lugwork in every...Agreed. It's the precision of the lugwork in every detail, the seat cluster in particular.<BR/><BR/>That said, keep that Holdsworth! If you're interested in the history, there's a lot of information here:<BR/>http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nkilgariff<BR/><BR/><BR/>SBS<BR/><BR/>---------<BR/><BR/>Ian Dickson a dit...<BR/><BR/>SBS:<BR/><BR/>I found an early 70s (I think) Holdsworth at the dump last fall. It's a really nice frame, but too large for me and kind of a mess, so I haven't done anything with it yet. On mine, the stays do a full wraparound, unlike the ones on the rando frame, which are pointed and meet in the middle (is there a name for that?). I like the Holdsworth, but I think the rando's seat cluster is a lot more elegant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-32917501542958246132008-03-22T13:58:00.000-04:002008-03-22T13:58:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977908085693494452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4806090497767830812008-03-22T02:02:00.000-04:002008-03-22T02:02:00.000-04:00That rear brake housing stop is fantastic, well do...That rear brake housing stop is fantastic, well done!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-82125215554112722512008-03-21T20:52:00.000-04:002008-03-21T20:52:00.000-04:00Phillip: I notice the same things with my Pauls. ...Phillip: I notice the same things with my Pauls. They tend to squeal when most notably when damp. Damp or dry, they grip well and stop the bike fast.<BR/><BR/>Johnny's Rando is just superb. As usual, his unique eye for little details shines through. I am sure Brett will find himself discovering little details he just cannot get over and loves to death for years to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42979231196898224292008-03-21T12:12:00.000-04:002008-03-21T12:12:00.000-04:00PERFECT!PERFECT!Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09710715433883677736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66684221230251597902008-03-21T10:40:00.000-04:002008-03-21T10:40:00.000-04:00Very nice looking frame. I am looking forward impa...Very nice looking frame. I am looking forward impatiently to mine.<BR/><BR/>I especially like the cleaner look of the brake studs on the fork--they look more deliberate, and as said, cleaner. <BR/><BR/>I know this is not always a popular question, but...what tubes are used on this frame?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-37625843811573045622008-03-21T05:13:00.000-04:002008-03-21T05:13:00.000-04:00SBS:I found an early 70s (I think) Holdsworth at t...SBS:<BR/><BR/>I found an early 70s (I think) Holdsworth at the dump last fall. It's a really nice frame, but too large for me and kind of a mess, so I haven't done anything with it yet. On mine, the stays do a full wraparound, unlike the ones on the rando frame, which are pointed and meet in the middle (is there a name for that?). I like the Holdsworth, but I think the rando's seat cluster is a lot more elegant.Ian Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14721391514711042385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-45530607880710616912008-03-21T04:44:00.000-04:002008-03-21T04:44:00.000-04:00Brake noise ... well that's an interesting topic. ...Brake noise ... well that's an interesting topic. My only bike that makes any serious brake noise or seriously noticeable noise has a set of Paul Touring Canti's along with some Mavic A719 rims. I tried to adjust the stock pads and even had a couple of expert mechanics do their thing. And they will still sound very loud on occasions. And sometimes that's good. It's like scary noise let's people know of my presence.<BR/><BR/>It seems they are noisiest when it's relatively damp or overcast and quietest when dry. I've given up on trying to adjust them perfectly because I don't think there is a perfect adjustment. Maybe a little better adjustment from time to time but no perfect adjustment.<BR/><BR/>The pads are of course the standard black Kool Stop. None of the other bikes one with vintage canti's, one with vintage Campy Record, one with vintage Dura Ace, and a cool moutain bike with Precision Billet V-Brakes make any real noise. Just my Milwaukee with the canti's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-68292553768238381332008-03-20T23:35:00.000-04:002008-03-20T23:35:00.000-04:00Years ago I was assembling an Ibis mtn bike for a ...Years ago I was assembling an Ibis mtn bike for a customer. He was a very tall guy and wanted Grafton speed controllers. Those brakes squealed like crazy. and suntour cantis, dia compe cantis, everything but Deore XT's. Brake boosters didn't help either. It turned out that the seatstays were so long and and the diameter was so small that they vibrated just enough to make the pads skip and squeal on the rim surface. It wasn't the first time Ibis had that issue. The next shipments of taller frames all came with larger dia stays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-29003702208554578412008-03-20T23:23:00.000-04:002008-03-20T23:23:00.000-04:00Beautiful seat cluster. The wraparound stays remin...Beautiful seat cluster. The wraparound stays remind me of those on my early '70s Holdsworth.<BR/><BR/>-sbsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72916563154536756922008-03-20T23:09:00.000-04:002008-03-20T23:09:00.000-04:00with all due respect, as a engineer, I can assure ...with all due respect, as a engineer, I can assure you that brakes squeal because of forces that affect, rim, fork, brake, brake design, brake material, etc.. <BR/><BR/>the notion that a "well adjusted brake" will not make any noise is as ludicrous as suggesting the moon is made of swiss cheese...<BR/><BR/>so, again: some brakes make more noise than others, comparatively speaking. ASSUMING prefect adjustment. do the brakes on this bike -- resembling the old mafacs -- make noticeable noise; very little; a lot of racket?<BR/><BR/>thanks...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41571139877276698412008-03-20T22:28:00.000-04:002008-03-20T22:28:00.000-04:00Hi Chris,Yukari hasn't made much progress w/Rivero...Hi Chris,<BR/><BR/>Yukari hasn't made much progress w/Riverone, but hope springs eternal.<BR/><BR/>I didn't catch it the first time around, but the second time I did. The head tube logo is really Parisian Art Deco cool. Sort of subtle, doesn't jump out at you, but when you finally do look at it a bit, it is very distinctive.<BR/><BR/>I like an alternative to Brooks - my wife and I have (discontinued) Brooks Conquest & Countess, nice seat, but the rails are so sloping that even at the max tilt angle on your average seat post, it still is tilted a little forward.<BR/><BR/>Track pedals, boy, I'd love to see some inspired by C-Record/Croce D'Aune style and quality.<BR/><BR/>I'm still agonizing over crankset for Mondia buildup. A 110 that has a little more elegant lines, like Sugino AT would be cool. All the in production ones (that I know about) all look sort of mountain bikey.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I have an old, of all things, Specialized 110 crankset that I have on commuter that I wish I could get another that looked/functioned the same. It wouldn't look at all out of place on a constructuer bike.<BR/><BR/>Well, we can always wish.robatsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641711964135698976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-20271111774969211702008-03-20T20:36:00.000-04:002008-03-20T20:36:00.000-04:00Any brake that makes noise isn't properly adjusted...Any brake that makes noise isn't properly adjusted. Center pull, cantilever, short reach side pull, long reach side pull, etc. Doesn't matter what the design is. Properly adjusted, they're all quiet. Of course some are much easier to adjust than others!Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10767743759129493752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-33044770510093407952008-03-20T20:33:00.000-04:002008-03-20T20:33:00.000-04:00Well-adjusted cantilevers are silent...Chris -- an...Well-adjusted cantilevers are silent...<BR/><BR/>Chris -- any idea when flash light brackets and the Nitto M-12 will be back in the store? I was *just* about to buy them and now they're out of stock again.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09718086258950643021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6653881525672224252008-03-20T18:59:00.000-04:002008-03-20T18:59:00.000-04:00a beautiful bicycle...does anyone know if the brak...a beautiful bicycle...<BR/><BR/>does anyone know if the brakes of the sort that this bike will use are likely to make as much noise as cantilevers? or will they be as silent as 57mm "long"-reachers like the Tektros Velo Orange sells?...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11829820877306856432008-03-20T18:48:00.000-04:002008-03-20T18:48:00.000-04:00I can't wait for mine!!I can't wait for mine!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-27907581280392276142008-03-20T18:32:00.000-04:002008-03-20T18:32:00.000-04:00Hey, that's my frame! Thanks so much to Johnny an...Hey, that's my frame! Thanks so much to Johnny and Chris. The frame looks perfect and the color turned out beautifully. Definitely worth the wait. <BR/><BR/>It will probably take a month or so for my to complete the initial build with everything except the lights and I'll send in some photos. I hope my build does it justice.<BR/><BR/>The frame has internal wiring for a rear generator light, although I haven't yet decided whether to do a fender-mounted light or something custom like the light Mark Vande Kamp made (see last issue of Bike Quarterly). Front light will be the soon-to-be-released new Schmidt LED headlight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-46124150501943029292008-03-20T16:46:00.000-04:002008-03-20T16:46:00.000-04:00Well, why there is no seatstay reinforcer is becau...Well, why there is no seatstay reinforcer is because where the "racer" brakes demand that the brake braze ons' land, the bridge reinforcer would run right into it. Its only when a customer requests a different brake that I have used reinforcers. Yes they look cool but not when the canti boss is running into it.johnnycoasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13601934003030639734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-59072360160361366072008-03-20T16:36:00.000-04:002008-03-20T16:36:00.000-04:00ppjohnnycoasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13601934003030639734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-9714618446535198122008-03-20T16:15:00.000-04:002008-03-20T16:15:00.000-04:00Did you ever find a source for new chainstay prote...Did you ever find a source for new chainstay protectors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-52364770742577657472008-03-20T13:03:00.000-04:002008-03-20T13:03:00.000-04:00That is a lovely blue. Best blue ever IMO was that...That is a lovely blue. Best blue ever IMO was that deep, dark Imron blue with the multiple clear coats on the first run Japanese-built Specialized Stumpjumpers. I had one. Tough as nails finish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-7778409120733318192008-03-20T11:57:00.000-04:002008-03-20T11:57:00.000-04:00Chris,I'm sure they're unnecessary, but I think th...Chris,<BR/>I'm sure they're unnecessary, but I think they look cool :)<BR/><BR/>If we can't show off the perceived quality of our VOs, then we have to let everyone ride them! We can't have that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-90259375461824413152008-03-20T11:48:00.000-04:002008-03-20T11:48:00.000-04:00What a beautiful frame, i want one!What a beautiful frame, i want one!Kelvin Mulckyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09365601871343065738noreply@blogger.com