tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post115446999806337666..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: An All-Around Bike Should Not be VersatileVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154622386263804402006-08-03T12:26:00.000-04:002006-08-03T12:26:00.000-04:00I didn't come up with the planing thing. That is J...I didn't come up with the planing thing. That is Jan Heine's idea. I do have to say I think there is some truth to it. I have ridden bikes that weighed more and flexed more than other bikes but still climbed better. I borrowed a Cannondale Six-13 (about as light and stiff as you can get) and it didn't climb as well as my cross bike despite the C'dale weighing at least 3 pounds less (and pound or so of that was in the wheels)Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10767743759129493752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154621614749825552006-08-03T12:13:00.000-04:002006-08-03T12:13:00.000-04:00I would definitely be interested in a down the lin...I would definitely be interested in a down the line, production version of this bike (for a smaller, shorter rider, like myself).<BR/><BR/>I am curious about the notion that front handlebar bags are more versatile than saddlebags. I've only always used saddlebags and mini rear racks on my other bikes.<BR/><BR/>Never having used a handelebar bag I'm wondering if you could clarify why it might be more desirable, and versatile, than a rear mounted bag?<BR/><BR/>It's hard for me to imagine why you might want a bike designed around a front handlebar bag rather than a saddlebag as your central carrying mechanism..Lesli Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13008748945065043600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154602062822155362006-08-03T06:47:00.000-04:002006-08-03T06:47:00.000-04:00The lugs shown are Kalavinka.The frames will have ...The lugs shown are Kalavinka.<BR/><BR/>The frames will have 700c wheels, but in the smaller sizes we may go to 650b.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154572372799166632006-08-02T22:32:00.000-04:002006-08-02T22:32:00.000-04:00are the lugs pictured kalavinka lugs?are the lugs pictured kalavinka lugs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154557313493110172006-08-02T18:21:00.000-04:002006-08-02T18:21:00.000-04:00C,I always look forward to your great posts here, ...C,<BR/><BR/>I always look forward to your great posts here, but with all due respect that sounds like some kind of urban myth. ;-) From my race days, I am 100.0% convinced that the lighter and stiffer the bike (more so the wheels than the frame), the faster it's gonna go uphill. No need to overthink it. To think that frame flex could be optimized for a 170- vs 150-pounder, well, I just can't see it.<BR/><BR/>In any case if there *is* any planing to be had, I'd say it stems from the wheels. Put fine wheels on a crummy frame, and it will ride great; do the opposite and the whole thing just goes dead. No?Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154556709730989572006-08-02T18:11:00.000-04:002006-08-02T18:11:00.000-04:00Planing is a sensation described Jan Heine of Vint...Planing is a sensation described Jan Heine of Vintage Bike Quarterly. It's a way of explaining why some bikes simply ride better. Among other things it explains how a heavier and more flexible bike can climb better than a lighter and stiffer bike. In a nutshell, the idea is that the frame flexes harmoniously with the rider. Since it's heavily dependent on the rider's weight, riding style and other factors it's pretty hard to production build a bike with these traits. A bike that planes nicely for a 170 pound spinner may not plane so well for a 150 pound rider who like to push big gears. <BR/><BR/>The main article is, I think, from VBQ Vol 4 #2 (Winter 05)Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10767743759129493752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154552459408546502006-08-02T17:00:00.000-04:002006-08-02T17:00:00.000-04:00Andrew, what the heck is this planing thing you me...Andrew, what the heck is this planing thing you mention?Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154540115419742882006-08-02T13:35:00.000-04:002006-08-02T13:35:00.000-04:00Chris. Cool! Will you allow the smaller size des...Chris. Cool! Will you allow the smaller size design with 650b in minded? I rode on C&O many times and think a 38mm tires work a lot better than 28mm. 32mm is OK but 38mm really shines on C&O. Keep up the good work.<BR/><BR/>RonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154530962870860152006-08-02T11:02:00.000-04:002006-08-02T11:02:00.000-04:00Chris,I would be very interested in the production...Chris,<BR/><BR/>I would be very interested in the production model and maybe for the small-run model depending on time frame. Your design criteria sounds great. My only concern is wheel size. I have 30.5" inseam and I don't think 700x30 will work well in frames my size.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154518353853383152006-08-02T07:32:00.000-04:002006-08-02T07:32:00.000-04:00Greg, The price point for the semi-custom really d...Greg, The price point for the semi-custom really depends on the builder we choose; we're talking with three and hope to know in a few days. The production version should be around $1k.<BR/><BR/>C, The production bike would differ greatly from the Rambo and P in being an integrated French style bike, not a sports tourer. As for the Ebisu, it would differ in geometry and in numerous details. It would be built in Japan, by a very respected builder.<BR/><BR/>Andrew, I wonder if planing depends so much on rider weight and style that designing a bike around it would be a real challenge. <BR/><BR/>We would use oversize tubing on the larger sizes and standard on the smaller, of course you could choose on the semi-custom.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154517277078872382006-08-02T07:14:00.000-04:002006-08-02T07:14:00.000-04:00Tubing diameters? Standard or oversized?I've recen...Tubing diameters? Standard or oversized?<BR/><BR/>I've recently become obsessed with Jan Heine's "planing" theory, and it would be intriguing to build a bike designed for that effect.<BR/><BR/>AKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154494101057255622006-08-02T00:48:00.000-04:002006-08-02T00:48:00.000-04:00Sounds good. If you can hit a price somewhere betw...Sounds good. If you can hit a price somewhere between a Kogswell and a Rambouillet or Atlantis I think you'll be on to something. <BR/><BR/>How will this be any different or better than any of those frames or an Ebisu? Kogswell, Rambouillet and Ebisu may not sound like a big range but consider how teeny tiny the market for such bikes is I'd say it makes for some tough competition. Still, I hope it succeeds! The more of these bikes that exist, the more they will be seen. The more they're seen, the more people will be exposed to them and hopefully more will be made and sold.Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10767743759129493752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1154482928038687632006-08-01T21:42:00.000-04:002006-08-01T21:42:00.000-04:00Interested? Very. Can I afford it? Probably not. B...Interested? Very. Can I afford it? Probably not. But if this bicycle comes to light as a slightly less expensive production version, I would take a close look at it. Do you have a price point that you can mention? For both the small-run and production versions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com