tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post8242185521192228821..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: 1x10 ExperimentVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41120644660447734962011-11-09T18:52:55.253-05:002011-11-09T18:52:55.253-05:00I am way late on this, but I had to post my experi...I am way late on this, but I had to post my experience. I have been running a 1x10 setup on a Polyvalent for about a year. I'm using an alloy rival right brifter, an alloy left SRAM brake lever that matches perfectly, and a SRAM Apex rear derailleur. I picked the Apex because it can handle an 11-32 cassette, but I've been happy with an 11-28 cassette so a short cage SRAM road derailleur would have been fine. I run a 39t front ring, and this gear combo works great for me in hilly Seattle with Hetre tires. I don't often carry more than 30lb on the front rack. <br /><br />This setup works extremely well, and allows me to run a VO full-length alloy chainguard (the 44t version), which works excellent. I love never having to roll up my pants or worry about which pants I am wearing. My interest in knickers has faded considerably!<br /><br />The only changes I've made to this setup over time are to add a bbg outer ring to keep the chain from going off the outside, which fits in the same spot as the 53t would normally on these road cranks, and an n-gear jump stop to keep the chain on from the in side. I very rarely dropped a chain even without these, but now I never do.<br /><br />AndyAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10384336271250945266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-40450082831669318112011-03-10T22:23:52.378-05:002011-03-10T22:23:52.378-05:00Funny, I just finished building a 1x9 (with a VO s...Funny, I just finished building a 1x9 (with a VO stem + 1" quill to threadless adapter) the other day as a beater/grocery-getter in town. I've been running 12-23 in back and 42 up front; the decision came because the middle ring on my road triple is 42, and I rarely found myself wanting to go to anything else. I keep a light Salsa guard on the outside and an N-Gear Jump Stop on the inside for security.<br /><br />Seems to be working fine for now -- the chainline just <i>looks</i> awry at its farthest reaches, but I hardly need those gears anyway. Cost-benefit? Meh. I may have saved a little time/money/effort compared to buying a front derailleur and other rings and installing it all, but an anonymous commenter got it mostly right:<br /><br />"It's one thing for racers who have decided they simply don't want or need to shift in the front, but for a recreational bike building it up turns into an exercise in elaborate minimalism. You end up buying some combination of a chainguard ring, an inboard chain guide, a new chainring, a shifter you don't end up using, and maybe even some extra brake levers. ... When the smoke clears on these builds it just ends up being a ton of work and parts without any real benefit."<br /><br />Not that I'm not proud of it.Patricknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63861915777522447172011-03-02T18:26:21.758-05:002011-03-02T18:26:21.758-05:00I'm kind of an odd bird I guess. I pretty much...I'm kind of an odd bird I guess. I pretty much ride fixed for everything and leave the gears alone (but I'm building up a geared road bike right now). Mind, it is fairly flat where I live. I do all my commuting (44x17)/training (51x16 & 52x13)/racing (50x14)/centuries and even 200k Brevets (51x16) fixed with some mild climbing 3k'. I can easily see the 1x trend growing though, especially in areas that are tame. I've ridden with roadies that haven't even shifted once on a ride. And just to note with the chainguards. The reason cyclocross folks use 'em is because of the constant shifting over bumpy terrain. If one is riding on relatively smooth roads, you can probably get away w/o an inner/outer guard especially if you runnin' a long cage.fixedweaselnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-29676793407425889422011-03-02T11:08:42.830-05:002011-03-02T11:08:42.830-05:00I have a 105 10-speed cassette and a 41T ring with...I have a 105 10-speed cassette and a 41T ring with bar-end shifters. Initially, a lot of folks were curious as to why I went with a single crank instead of a double. I do all of my riding in a city with a few hills and bridges, and the 1x10 is perfect for that. The only problem I have is with the non-indexed shifting - sometimes it's hard to get to the highest/lowest gears.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06862710640735555728noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-19172135499861289662011-02-28T19:32:37.879-05:002011-02-28T19:32:37.879-05:00I use a single front on one of my bikes with a 5 o...I use a single front on one of my bikes with a 5 or 6 freewheel in back and single Simplex lever. Works great. I used to be plagued with chain-dropping . . . First of all, make sure you're not trying to use a chainring with any sort of ramps and pins. Those are real good for shifting the chain off the ring. Get a nice clean round ring--not too skinny either. The chainring needs to line up in the middle of the freewheel. Finally, chain tension depends on the type of derailleur, and the right chain length matters. My experience is dropping the chain on a regular basis doesn't necessarily mean you need to add a chain keeper, but that the bike is basically out of tune in one of the ways above. <br /><br />mwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63286295472440617262011-02-27T11:32:16.228-05:002011-02-27T11:32:16.228-05:00I didn't realize there were so many fellow ...I didn't realize there were so many fellow '1 x' practitioners. How exciting!<br /><br />I happened into a 1 x 9 setup when the return spring on my triple FD failed. I rode the bike in the middle ring for a few weeks and decided the other other gears weren't all that necessary.<br /><br />My current setup is a straight tooth Rocket Ring (42T) + bash guard in front. In the rear is an 11-32 Shimano cassette with a 34T in place of the 32T.<br /><br />No issues with chain dropping, and the shift from the 28T to the 34T is reliable. I get up all the hills I want to on this rather heavy bike.Greg Priddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09759440120772099279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66980424528033516432011-02-27T09:45:58.640-05:002011-02-27T09:45:58.640-05:00As someone whose run Internally geared hubs most o...As someone whose run Internally geared hubs most of my life, Single speeds and is currntly building a 1 X 8 get round town bike; I am kind of in the same boat. Some thoughts, using the bikes you are riding now you can experiment. While riding your current bike figure out which gear you ride in the most, that should help you determine where to start as far as gearing goes, then figure out what is the lowest gear you actually NEED! Lastly and here's the hard part; what is the highest gear you can fit and still live with! As you have already mentioned, much of this can very depending on where you are geographically. I live in Dallas which is relatively flat so I am opting for a fairly close ratio 8 speed cassette in the back and will fine tune the front ring to suit, in a hilly area I would probably choose the opposite Tactic.<br /><br />Regarding dropping the chain; the Paul's chain thingy is good and bash guards are as well, but another option is to just take an old front derailer and run the limiting screws all the way in so that there is no adjustability to it. This might require a run to the hardware store for a longer screw or two, but no biggie!masmojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02260367964099605460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-24983603719264006112011-02-27T06:48:31.073-05:002011-02-27T06:48:31.073-05:00What Mike said, from a Citroën-o-phile. Bought a X...What Mike said, from a Citroën-o-phile. Bought a Xsara Picasso for my wife. It's our family vehicle (my daily car is a bicycle) and it is frankly amazing value for money. Pity there's not a dealer network in The States.Robert Linthicumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04309652843831858990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-81664163640424939702011-02-26T11:08:04.572-05:002011-02-26T11:08:04.572-05:00I am in rural Brasil and ride 90% on dirt roads. I...I am in rural Brasil and ride 90% on dirt roads. I have a 1X8 on my all-rounder with 35 up front and a 11-34 mega-range on the back. I commute, tour and single-track with no problem. Paul's chain-keeper keeps my chain from launching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-78953361829989901192011-02-26T09:53:08.911-05:002011-02-26T09:53:08.911-05:00Practically speaking, my Tricross operates as a 1X...Practically speaking, my Tricross operates as a 1X10 when on the road. The only time I use the small front cog on the road is to extend chain life when I have to go up steep, long hills with a headwind. I have not observed chain life to be unreasonably short. The bike has about 6000 miles and is just now on its second chain.<br /><br />Set up properly, the chain has always stayed reliably on the front ring EXCEPT when running in really rough stuff, so if I wanted to cross race with 1X10, I'd add a guard up front.Steve Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13650405341304401203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67366394441761600312011-02-25T20:19:08.951-05:002011-02-25T20:19:08.951-05:00You should give the SRAM Apex a try, we've bui...You should give the SRAM Apex a try, we've built a few rando style road bikes with it so far here at Sid's and although they've all had a compact double crank, personally I'd just set a bike up with a mid-sized single ring up front. The rear cassette gives you an almost MTB like gear range, with a mid-long cage derailleur, and depending how you set your bike up you could have a 1:1 gear ratio. Not to mention, SRAM is the cheaper, more affordable route to go (especially if you want to try out a new idea). I've done a 1x9 setup on a bike before with a 39 up front, and although there aren't too many giant hills near NYC, the gearing works out for pretty much everything so long as you're not trying to be speed racer in spandex! 10 speed gives you an even smoother jump between each gear.Joehttp://www.sidsbikes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-85405589147387563182011-02-25T16:33:00.028-05:002011-02-25T16:33:00.028-05:00I ride a 1 x 9 (12-25) with a 43 T chainring. The...I ride a 1 x 9 (12-25) with a 43 T chainring. The 43 x 25 combo is low enough to get me up just about anything though I mostly use the bike its on as my grocery getter. I do occasionally use it for longer rides and it's nice not to have to worry about front shifting. Another benefit iis not having a front derailleur, which enables you to use a chainguard (just put on a VO chainguard a month ago), which is nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22888031753859917392011-02-25T13:04:45.317-05:002011-02-25T13:04:45.317-05:00How do the variables in Sheldon Brown's Gear C...How do the variables in Sheldon Brown's Gear Calculator at:<br /><br />http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/<br /><br />figure into this topic?Scott Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-85291426114833904722011-02-25T12:18:52.841-05:002011-02-25T12:18:52.841-05:00Speaking off the top of my head-ie: no experience ...Speaking off the top of my head-ie: no experience whatever-I'd sit down and figure out what gears I actually use. For me its about 6 or 7 and if I could get them with a 1x setup I might try it. I'd be wary about chainline issues and chain issues with a 1x10 but I believe a 1x7 might work for me. Perhaps I'll try it.<br />Phil Broenphilcycleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07037641086503534960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-13142529737673848892011-02-25T11:42:24.069-05:002011-02-25T11:42:24.069-05:00My commuter has a 1x8 drivetrain - the rder is con...My commuter has a 1x8 drivetrain - the rder is controlled by a bar-end friction shifter. To keep the chain happy on the chainring, I have rigged a system with two chainguards, one on either side of the chainring. Works well. Had to fiddle a bit to work out the correct BB spindle to get a good chainline, but it works great. The Rder is a 'Deore' MTB rder.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032772582955539985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-46532980439122881452011-02-25T11:42:18.909-05:002011-02-25T11:42:18.909-05:00I have both a 1x9 and a 2x8 where I never use the ...I have both a 1x9 and a 2x8 where I never use the small ring. No problems at all.<br /><br />With a proper length chain, I never ever drop the chain.@realjanmaasohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15981415303936066649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-55913640210002259012011-02-25T10:53:52.624-05:002011-02-25T10:53:52.624-05:00I have no personal experience with a 1x drivetrain...I have no personal experience with a 1x drivetrain, but history suggests there could be issues with dropping the chain. I've read accounts of AM-7 (1x7 drivetrain) Moultons that had such a tendency to drop the chain owners referred to them as "agents of the Devil" and "The Antichrist" (a nod to _The Gods Must Be Crazy_); and a chain keeper was devised for the AM Moulton. The easy solution is to use an old front derailleur locked in place as a chain keeper -- but that inevitably leads to the thought, if you're going to use a front derailleur anyway, why not just put on that second chain ring...?Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18127635083892565152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49216422668339442992011-02-25T10:03:49.701-05:002011-02-25T10:03:49.701-05:00I've run 1x7 (44x11/30) on a city bike in mode...I've run 1x7 (44x11/30) on a city bike in moderately hilly terrain, worked fine. It seemed one could, depending on chainline, choose whether to drop the chain inwards or outwards. I settled on inwards and fashioned a "dog's tooth" from a broken tail light bracket.<br /><br />Single speed/Track/DH chainring makes a difference, too.<br /><br />Once I decided to go touring on that bike, however, I added a 28t granny; shifted with my heel.Uncle Anklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-65232763401813587832011-02-25T09:15:24.332-05:002011-02-25T09:15:24.332-05:00I'm currently building up a city bike for a fr...I'm currently building up a city bike for a friend around a late 70s Motobecane mixte. I'm using a 44t up front and a 14-34 Suntour freewheel. I wasn't planning on using any sort of chain keeper. There are several nice VO bits on there. Do I get half credit for a 1x5?Justinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6783834374164879102011-02-24T21:48:28.583-05:002011-02-24T21:48:28.583-05:00I have run a 1x9 set up on a commuter for a few ye...I have run a 1x9 set up on a commuter for a few years, with many thousands of miles on the set up. Shifter is a Shimano bar-end and rear is 12-34. I've had no chain drop from bumps in the road, but occasionally when shifting in indexed mode. The chain drop more or less disappeared when I switched the shifter to friction. I noticed the indexed shifting would send a wave up the chain and sometimes launch it off the front ring. I use no inner guide; for bash guard I grinded down the outer ring on a bench grinder, then filed and sanded. That took about 15 minutes total, looks cool, and was free. <br /><br />Like others I don't think there is too much performance benefit of the 1x set up. I did it just to make for less visual clutter on a city bike where I didn't need additional range. In my opinion this is not suggested for anything other than a city bike. If you're a racer or tourer and worried about weight you'd be better served with a downtube shifter and lightweight front derailler. These hardly weigh anything (esp compared to the bashguard and inner guide sported by the xc racers), and at some point the second ring will be handy. <br /><br />One cost benefit of the 1x setup is that you can buy a set of bar-end or downtube shifters and get two bikes worth out it - if the front shifter runs friction you can run it to the rear mech.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02401417960989565219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-39502929454358899792011-02-24T20:31:21.883-05:002011-02-24T20:31:21.883-05:00I have a never-ridden Vitus 929 frame that I'm...I have a never-ridden Vitus 929 frame that I'm eventually going to turn into a 1x9 using a 9 of 10 on 7 setup. (Don't want to force the bonded aluminum frame out to 130mm spacing.) I have some 10-speed DA bar ends that'll do nice, and a collection of other parts, some vintage, some V-O. It's going to be my "speedy city bike".<br /><br />I used to race on the same kind of frame back in the 80s, so it's a flashback for me.dwainedibblynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67444652912064581692011-02-24T20:07:06.597-05:002011-02-24T20:07:06.597-05:00I live in Seattle and am not skinny, so a 1x drive...I live in Seattle and am not skinny, so a 1x drive would not work for me.<br /><br />I find the sweet spot for me is a 2x8, with the front being a 45x32 and the cassette being an 11x32. This is perfect for grinding up the huge hill I climb to work and for cruising around the countryside. My camping bike has a triple with a granny because I climb mountain passes s l o w l y.<br /><br />I don't want to go higher than 8 speeds because the cost per chain and cassette goes up pretty quickly. I'm thinking of dropping back down to 7sp for my commuting bike just for the cost savings on those parts.Doug in Seattlenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-50323726444279568302011-02-24T18:37:42.714-05:002011-02-24T18:37:42.714-05:00Chain line?
I guess with narrower 10spd chains th...Chain line?<br /><br />I guess with narrower 10spd chains that's less of an issue compared with 8spd.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10105835578914862153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-70455675534684325122011-02-24T16:33:06.859-05:002011-02-24T16:33:06.859-05:00I have two 1x7s and they've been just fine in ...I have two 1x7s and they've been just fine in Boston (fairly flat, going around hills when needed). Am about to build up a 1x8, but will leave it at that -- 1x9, etc. seems too fussy, plus the cost of chains jumps once you go beyond 8 gears.latronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-12747803323070060992011-02-24T16:32:42.839-05:002011-02-24T16:32:42.839-05:00I use a 1x6 on my city-bike, which I'll also t...I use a 1x6 on my city-bike, which I'll also take on flat rides up to 100 miles. I use a 47 x 14-28<br /><br />I occupy the empty half of the shifter braze-on with my VO Bell. :)<br /><br />Chris: you say that you stay in the big ring 90% of the time. Does that mean you'll have to walk up a few of those hills?Kevin Mulcahynoreply@blogger.com