tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post7150154435848161575..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: PBP Rims, UpdatedVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-85745677351161473042010-09-06T06:54:37.315-04:002010-09-06T06:54:37.315-04:00This rim's finish looks great, vastly superior...This rim's finish looks great, vastly superior to other rims currently available. However the shape is still not quite right, from the photos, it looks like it is quite a deep section rim compared with the older Super Champion and Mavic rims.<br /><br />Looks like it has single eyelets to me. If so, then you need different length spokes compared with the MA2.<br /><br />Even if it has double eyelets, you probably also need new spokes as the sides are deeper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-90251807419269598812009-10-26T14:48:01.306-04:002009-10-26T14:48:01.306-04:00I assume this rim measures the same as the MA2, so...I assume this rim measures the same as the MA2, so I can use the same spokes?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03981277857099340202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-34167756440130325072009-08-10T10:42:47.350-04:002009-08-10T10:42:47.350-04:00Unlike the Grand Bois Rims, they are sold per eac...Unlike the Grand Bois Rims, they are sold per each so you can mix up drilling: 32 back, 32 in front for example. We also charge actual shipping- not a blanket charge for the entire US, or Canada, or Europe.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5314920030354340002009-08-08T22:34:22.043-04:002009-08-08T22:34:22.043-04:00Will price of 50 dollars be one pair of price?Will price of 50 dollars be one pair of price?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-10689523700249386122009-08-05T17:52:09.880-04:002009-08-05T17:52:09.880-04:00At $50, they are 20 bucks less than the singlewall...At $50, they are 20 bucks less than the singlewall (or open box, or whatever euphemism used) Grand Bois beach cruiser rims. <br />Jan professes to sell scads of them to discerning randonneuristas and porteur professionals. <br /><br />Why is $20 less for a rim better suited to bikes and the terrain they will be riding on- old and new- so shocking?Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-509367913105820532009-08-04T13:14:15.384-04:002009-08-04T13:14:15.384-04:00$50 ? your kidding right ?$50 ? your kidding right ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-55606004584317524152009-07-31T23:04:20.845-04:002009-07-31T23:04:20.845-04:00Chris or Tom said, in an earlier post, that VO rim...Chris or Tom said, in an earlier post, that VO rims have single eyelets because double eyelets are not needed with modern stronger alloys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4342742316428784002009-07-31T16:54:12.135-04:002009-07-31T16:54:12.135-04:00You still haven't answered the very first ques...You still haven't answered the very first question, right? Single or double eyelet?<br />Thanks,<br />BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-62973045311457517342009-07-30T14:46:05.286-04:002009-07-30T14:46:05.286-04:00Beautiful finish on these. Just like I remember fr...Beautiful finish on these. Just like I remember from the olden days, but better. How does the demand/cost/production requirement equation look for the possibility of 650B and 27" sizes?Redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03277981140181461111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11065016780043697632009-07-29T01:26:08.849-04:002009-07-29T01:26:08.849-04:001. Is the rim anodized on the surface with the eye...1. Is the rim anodized on the surface with the eyeletts, and highly polished on the breaking surfaces?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />LarryLawrence Fiemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18199687567601070049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-90929699600333882392009-07-28T10:26:57.084-04:002009-07-28T10:26:57.084-04:00I was comparing our PBP doublewall rim to singlewa...I was comparing our PBP doublewall rim to singlewall rims. A doublewall rim is much stronger, especially when building them on modern bikes with hubs and frames spaced for 130/135. <br /><br />Any deep section rim, like the Dyad or Deep V, is going to be stiffer and stronger than a box section rim. <br /><br />The PBP rim is pinned. <br /><br />Regarding braking performance, a raw brake track provides much better braking friction than an anodized or painted surface. Sun Rims keeps their brake track un-anodized for this reason. Since our PBP rims are polished and un-anodized, a couple miles of use should adequately scuff up the brake track for better braking.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-86626222207431642382009-07-27T20:49:15.297-04:002009-07-27T20:49:15.297-04:00Are these welded or pinned?Are these welded or pinned?Kathryn Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01544869635815546081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57255174100628839512009-07-27T19:32:57.190-04:002009-07-27T19:32:57.190-04:00polished rims brake fine, after you break them in ...polished rims brake fine, after you break them in on some dirt roads. in certain cases they can cause squealing, and dont stop quite as well in wet weather. they make up for this in longevity and looks, i think.johnsonhttp://ridelugged.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-13644947651877707562009-07-27T17:52:18.736-04:002009-07-27T17:52:18.736-04:00I think Tom was comparing classic-style rims like ...I think Tom was comparing classic-style rims like Super Champions or the GB rims to box section rims, not to modern high profile rims like the Velocity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-62205108304110443692009-07-27T13:12:46.760-04:002009-07-27T13:12:46.760-04:00Interesting. I'd like to hear technical comme...Interesting. I'd like to hear technical commentary on why box section rims are considered "far superior in terms of overall strength, load capacity, and impact resistance". For instance comparing this product to a Velocity Dyad touring rim, triangular cross-section, light and strong.<br /><br />I'm not trying to be argumentative, but as a mechanical engineer I don't understand the assumption made about the superiority about box section rims. Please help me learn...nordic_68https://www.blogger.com/profile/16681928489719451333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-35286663043092860492009-07-25T00:25:47.239-04:002009-07-25T00:25:47.239-04:00Tom,
Thanks for your reply. Box section vs. newe...Tom,<br /><br />Thanks for your reply. Box section vs. newer designs was not something I was fully aware of.<br /><br />Awesome work on the PBP rims!<br /><br />GarthGarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41802687378588073672009-07-24T23:21:50.091-04:002009-07-24T23:21:50.091-04:00Anonymous says: "GB has had a lot of problems...Anonymous says: "GB has had a lot of problems with quality control". According to who? I've not read anything on any of the lists suggesting that this is the case, and I've used the 650b Hetre, 650b Cypres, 700c Cypres and they've all been perfect.Andrew Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08917065225850153006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67939396494234840192009-07-24T17:00:00.909-04:002009-07-24T17:00:00.909-04:00Thanks for specifying stainless eyelets. What is ...Thanks for specifying stainless eyelets. What is the rim alloy?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11033870275303923326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-75781119678796077112009-07-24T11:59:50.085-04:002009-07-24T11:59:50.085-04:00I think there is merit to the CR18 design and shap...I think there is merit to the CR18 design and shape, even though it's a departure from a classic box section look. <br />A simple box section rim without any triangulation or additional reinforcement inside (making it a 'triple hollow') will be prone to going out of true and will not have the weight capacity that the CR18 design has. It's a purpose built rim, designed around wider tires for bikes that are subject to heavier loads and are ridden on uneven terrain and unpaved roads and trails. <br /><br />The tires we stock- Vittorias and Panaracers both fit the PBP rim. The Panaracers are a little tighter but can go on without the use of a tire lever. <br /><br />If we can sell a couple hundred 40h rims, I'd order them in that drilling, but i'm not so sure there are that many hubs (or a need) for such a rim.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-80656563577952977412009-07-24T10:25:57.175-04:002009-07-24T10:25:57.175-04:00Will these eventually be available in something li...Will these eventually be available in something like two dozen fashion-oriented colours for us aging faux-hipster types ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-8414871461204837792009-07-24T09:54:07.187-04:002009-07-24T09:54:07.187-04:00What is braking like on a polished sidewall?What is braking like on a polished sidewall?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-89502581790001143452009-07-24T00:20:02.610-04:002009-07-24T00:20:02.610-04:00Yes, it does seem to be hitting it' mark.
I...Yes, it does seem to be hitting it' mark. <br /><br />I think there are a bunch of us who would still like such a rim to fit 32-37c tires. Perhaps it needs a different name, though?<br /><br />I'm not so inspired to use the CR18 rims, though they have the reputation. I would prefer something a little classier looking.<br /><br />GarthGarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60485597510083588522009-07-23T20:51:40.971-04:002009-07-23T20:51:40.971-04:00you guys are heroes!!you guys are heroes!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-65315671837263445142009-07-23T18:57:33.591-04:002009-07-23T18:57:33.591-04:00I'm happy this isn't too much wider than i...I'm happy this isn't too much wider than it is. The rim is named after the Paris, Brest et retour randonnee in France, held every four years. In the US, to qualify for that ride one must complete a Super Randonneur series of 200, 300, 400 and 600km brevets. This year I rode all of those plus a few extra 200km brevets. I use Grand Bois 28mm tires on my randonneur bike, having once used '25mm' Continential tires. My tires at 28mm were wider than about 99% of the other tires I saw on all those brevets, and wider than about 95+% of those tires I saw on PBP in 2007. (Jan H's tires were probably wider, but then I didn't see him or his bike ;^)<br /><br />The VO PBP rims are listed as good for tires up to 30mm. Seems as though it is hitting it's target, no?<br /><br />rob hawksrob hawkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10884613886419587605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22238219273660818122009-07-23T18:18:15.399-04:002009-07-23T18:18:15.399-04:00Nice rim at a good price but why so narrow? I woul...Nice rim at a good price but why so narrow? I would think many of VO's customers are riding 28mm or wider tires. I'd love to see a version between 23 and 25mm.Garynoreply@blogger.com