tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post6425995211410444130..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Mixte PrototypesVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22119904636685402462010-06-06T20:09:14.439-04:002010-06-06T20:09:14.439-04:00Ditto to the last comment on a girls bike. I just ...Ditto to the last comment on a girls bike. I just finished a re-build of a Kuwahara mixte that was originally built with 24" wheels. It was a pain in the neck to sort replacement alloy wheels for this bike but the end result looks awesome. It is a nice quality ride (without going overboard) for my daughter.borgbikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00567698251419760300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-9197426203148839322009-09-02T22:37:23.152-04:002009-09-02T22:37:23.152-04:00The next bike for this guy will be a 'girls bi...The next bike for this guy will be a 'girls bike'. My biggest difficulty at the end of a long brevet is getting a leg up. So please bring it on...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-7791567890733085442009-08-29T11:24:35.157-04:002009-08-29T11:24:35.157-04:00Pluses:
--Connection of stays to seat tubes
--Dro...Pluses:<br /><br />--Connection of stays to seat tubes<br />--Dropouts<br />--Lower head lug.<br /><br />Minuses:<br /><br />--Seat cluster<br />--Color scheme. I like that shade of blue and I like the orange decals. I just don't like them together.<br /><br />Make it in lilac. Better yet, make it in Motobecane's "silver lilac". Or, the Mercian "flip-flop" purple green. From most angles it looks like lilac; from others, it looks like a sort of sage/mint green.<br /><br />Of course, you couldn't use orange decals on those colors. But an orange bike is a state of mind, anyway.Justine Valinottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852069587181432102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57737331398299827062009-08-26T20:57:48.028-04:002009-08-26T20:57:48.028-04:00I looked at the photos and read the comments, look...I looked at the photos and read the comments, looked at the photos again and I think the blue with orange decals should be your signature combination. That is, until you change your mind.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11240252773932276478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-30519006314650628752009-08-25T13:57:16.027-04:002009-08-25T13:57:16.027-04:00ummm, at that price range, the fastback stays woul...ummm, at that price range, the fastback stays would probably be the better option. Maybe it's just me, but a solid welded connection to me just seems cleaner than a cast plug. Now, when it comes to the really labor-intensive hand-made scalloped stays of a custom bike, that's a different story. . . but the plugs are really just an aesthetic reference to the hand-made joints, and don't do much for me. The fastbacks, as on the old Raleigh Pros, or my Colnago, used to be seen as an upgrade, heh heh. <br /><br />mwAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-64767559323777859712009-08-24T19:07:30.128-04:002009-08-24T19:07:30.128-04:00the argument for 700c wheels for the inaugural run...the argument for 700c wheels for the inaugural run makes sense. thanks for explaining. <br /><br />i agree with others about the fastback stays. a traditional treatment would be so much more fitting with the style of the frame, and worth a few extra bucks.<br /><br />go mixte!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22871149221506273132009-08-24T17:29:38.421-04:002009-08-24T17:29:38.421-04:00I am not a fan of 650b, so I am fine with your tir...I am not a fan of 650b, so I am fine with your tire choice. If custom colour is available, I have a feeling people would be willing to pay extra for that, or receive the frame unpainted if that's possible. I like the lugs as they are, but I think the welding of those rear stays can be changed, no? To have a flatter or "spooned" surface? That would make a huge aesthetic difference IMO.Lovely Bicycle!http://lovelybike.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-84427425830668812402009-08-24T11:58:55.545-04:002009-08-24T11:58:55.545-04:00A few things:
With mixtes there is almost no choi...A few things:<br /><br />With mixtes there is almost no choice of lugs. You must use the few that are available. That's why most others are TIG welded.<br /><br />Everyone who has seen the frame in person really likes the color. I do!<br /><br />This design started as a stock design from a Taiwanese company, but we ended up changing a lot of details and some geometry.<br /><br />A mixte appeals to a limited audience. To make it 650b would further limit the pool of potential buyers. We need to have enough made for a proper production run or the price would be too high. Of course if these sell really well we might do a 650b version. But I would rather work on having them available as ready-to-ride bikes for next year.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-20923594354211271322009-08-23T20:50:45.811-04:002009-08-23T20:50:45.811-04:00Awesome frame, unfortunate choice of colors (in my...Awesome frame, unfortunate choice of colors (in my opinion).<br /><br />"Red and Green, Blue and Orange, Purple and Yellow. These are the colors directly across from each other on the color wheel. Don't let the name fool you, they rarely look good when used together. They're called "complementary" because, when used together, they become extremely vibrant and have heavy contrast.<br /><br />Complementary colors are useful when you want to make something stand out. For example, if you use a green background and have a red circle on it, the red will jump off the page and be almost blinding."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-14306452736562464522009-08-23T18:24:32.490-04:002009-08-23T18:24:32.490-04:00As I recall from Chris talked about earlier, this ...As I recall from Chris talked about earlier, this frame was not a "ground up" VO design, but rather one that was available from a (Taiwanese?) manufacturer.<br /><br />Part of the economy is probably that it is an existing design. So, I'm not going to expect that major frame design changes such as the head tube lug and seat stay lug or the wheel size will readily change w/o a price increase. (?)<br /><br />But at any rate, I would really encourage a different color, and that would make a big difference.<br /><br />Some possible additions that would be useful might be the spring that goes between the frame and forks that I saw recently on some of those Dutch bike? They really helped to keep the wheel and handlebar straight when you have a load on the front. I wished I had one on my touring bike.<br /><br />The other useful addition would be a provision for wires. Whether this was some sort of internal wires or little mounts, I'm not sure.<br /><br />Anyway, glad to see the ever so useful threaded head set!<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />GarthGarthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-22349660640834200192009-08-22T22:22:17.480-04:002009-08-22T22:22:17.480-04:00Wow. A lugged mixte with twin lateral stays is a r...Wow. A lugged mixte with twin lateral stays is a rarity nowadays; thank you so much for working to develop this. I would gladly get in line to order one of these frames, but I have a couple of questions:<br /><br />Is the frame <i>fully</i> lugged? It looks like parts of it are welded, but that may just be the photo. <br /><br />Can the design of the rear stays, where they connect to the seat tube, be made more elegant? <br /><br />I don't know about this blue. I would prefer a softer colour scheme on a mixte, like the classic Rene Herse colours. A sage green would look so nice with an orange VO logo IMO. But if the blue in your photo is set in stone as the official production colour, will there be an option for custom colour? <br /><br />Finally, in what country are these frames made?<br /><br />Good luck with the project and I look forward to the results!Lovely Bicycle!http://lovelybike.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41688568949743496902009-08-22T19:34:47.853-04:002009-08-22T19:34:47.853-04:00Recommend you consider a smaller size, say 47cm. A...Recommend you consider a smaller size, say 47cm. A continuing comment I hear from boomer females is the lack of quality bikes that reminds them of the ones they rode in earlier days. Plus they often mention that bikes in the LBS are just too big.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-65445074368332641372009-08-22T16:17:09.019-04:002009-08-22T16:17:09.019-04:00along with david_nj above, i'm curious as to w...along with david_nj above, i'm curious as to why this one isn't 650b, since it would seem like that would be a natural combination. just curious...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-15367006267162981392009-08-22T14:51:13.563-04:002009-08-22T14:51:13.563-04:00Just checking is the headset 1 inch? Also is the ...Just checking is the headset 1 inch? Also is the upcoming Rando also a 1 inch headset?RoadieRyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15900109046198641775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-82139695295609949882009-08-22T14:10:12.116-04:002009-08-22T14:10:12.116-04:00Anon of Florida said...
http://bikeportland.org/20...Anon of Florida said...<br />http://bikeportland.org/2009/08/18/yesterday-and-todays-influence-seen-in-electras-new-ticino-bikes/<br /><br /><br />there's no doubt that the niche is now the growth market. The first thing a shopper will see, entering his/her lbs this year, will be the Trek or Globe city bikes . . . and every major brand will have at least one funky commuter with racks, bells, fenders, etc. This is the year things change on a massive scale. I would think it's a pretty good thing for VO, having a solid line of parts and frames in place to support the market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-53263195827263230362009-08-22T11:59:53.749-04:002009-08-22T11:59:53.749-04:00http://bikeportland.org/2009/08/18/yesterday-and-t...http://bikeportland.org/2009/08/18/yesterday-and-todays-influence-seen-in-electras-new-ticino-bikes/<br /><br />Competition?Anon of Floridanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-23611045837880408052009-08-22T11:10:06.559-04:002009-08-22T11:10:06.559-04:00Chris, given the types of elegant cycles that you ...Chris, given the types of elegant cycles that you create, perhaps the Velo Orange branding doesn't necessarily need to be in orange? I don't really see orange decals working aesthetically with any of the variations of blue that would look good with this frame.<br /><br />For everyone who doesn't get mixte frames.....my wife has two very high end, well-designed mixtes, which both handle as well as any of my bikes. For her, the main advantage is that she can ride in a skirt when she needs to.msrwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16405671873250914126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-18134126535696416042009-08-22T06:35:20.274-04:002009-08-22T06:35:20.274-04:00I like Mixtes. Especially the twin top tube versi...I like Mixtes. Especially the twin top tube versions. I'm happy to see this one from Velo Orange.<br /><br />From an aesthetic perspective, I would like to suggest a less cluttered color. Perhaps a soft blue or blue green? An aqua green? Or even a coral color, but not too dark.<br /><br />I appreciate the functionality of the fender, water bottle and luggage rack mounts, but to note, I think they add to a feeling of clutter also.<br /><br />Really, though, the extended head tube worries me. It looks as though a short section of cast iron gas pipe has been added on. <br /><br />I also notice the seat stays end below the seat lug, making for a "disjointed" triangle.<br /><br />If these last two aspects could be rectified, along with a softer, more sophisticated (less collegiate) color, I think you would have a very elegant frame on your hands.<br /><br />Also, kudos on the slotted rear drop-outs!<br /><br />Great work!<br /><br />p.s. I think brake bosses for centerpulls would also be super, but also understand the concern for limited brake choice.Garthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57395011380597251772009-08-22T01:34:35.809-04:002009-08-22T01:34:35.809-04:00Another request for Chater Lea threaded stuff. Al...Another request for Chater Lea threaded stuff. Also my cranks don't match my tweed socks? Help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-77515086606289331512009-08-21T23:36:31.241-04:002009-08-21T23:36:31.241-04:00Is this the mixte based on an existing design you ...Is this the mixte based on an existing design you found in Taipei? Is that why it has fast back seat stays that appear to have been welded on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-25034910517145663682009-08-21T17:00:37.325-04:002009-08-21T17:00:37.325-04:00As a matter of fact we spent yesterday checking dr...As a matter of fact we spent yesterday checking drivetrain combinations and clearances. With a small tweak even 10 speed cassettes might work. We are trying centerpulls and they should work, but I am not yet sure of a few cable routing details, there are some minor variations we need to try. I considered setting up this frame specifically for Dia Compe 750s or Paul Racers, but some may find that too limiting.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-17956533796686546102009-08-21T16:55:36.980-04:002009-08-21T16:55:36.980-04:00I personally don't want to add a mixte to my c...I personally don't want to add a mixte to my collection, on account of my perception of them as ladies specific bikes. This, however, is actually nonsense. But still, its in the back of my head. On a ride quality note, my wife's '80 Bianchi mixte with mono top-tube is one of the best riding bikes I've encountered. Yes, it is small and has lots of toe overlap for me, but it is extremely fun to ride. There's something about it. On the aesthetic front, one of my favourite bikes ever is a grey Herse mixte, featured in Jan Heine's book on constructeur bikes. Amazing lines.Matt Surchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244780566118768642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49603081842410682562009-08-21T14:29:36.449-04:002009-08-21T14:29:36.449-04:00Chris, yes the fork bend needs some artistic re-sh...Chris, yes the fork bend needs some artistic re-shaping. I have many mixte frames; check chain<br />clearance from small cog to tri-lateral at rear drop-out. Will<br />it be possible to mount centerpull brake with straddle cable around seat-tube; as the classic mixte should.mixteman@yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-56451623389138914532009-08-21T12:29:55.698-04:002009-08-21T12:29:55.698-04:00Kilroy
Excepting that Mixtes have a long traditi...Kilroy <br /><br />Excepting that Mixtes have a long tradition of use whereas Bullhorn handle bars historically were only used by time trial racers. Otherwise it is just the same.<br /><br />As for your thinking riding a Mixte is riding a girl's bike - sounds like a personal issue to me. In Europe and Asia Mixtes are used by male or female. They are most popular with riders who mount and dismount frequently, such as delivery people or even people out doing errands.Joelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-61832146685439423552009-08-21T10:42:04.110-04:002009-08-21T10:42:04.110-04:00Greetings,
To each his or her own, mostly, b...Greetings,<br /><br /> To each his or her own, mostly, but I fail to see the appeal of a mixte frame. In my opinion they are unattractive and I would feel like I was riding a "girls' bike". Different strokes for different folks. This seems to be a fad similiar to single speed bicycles with those bullhorn handlebars.<br /><br /> Best regards.Kilroynoreply@blogger.com