tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post6033139589071136792..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: City Frame Update and NotesVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42724214317675114412009-07-17T12:44:09.352-04:002009-07-17T12:44:09.352-04:00I'm very excited about this frame. Can I assum...I'm very excited about this frame. Can I assume, based on the price, that it's tig welded? Chris, could you post photos of the joints?<br /><br />For my part, I'd gladly pay an extra $120 for lugs and classic-looking (e.g., Campy 1010b) dropouts. But it's darn near impossible to find a classic frame with the right top tube length and trail to fill this role, so I'm likely tobuy, even with welds.Kris Hicks-Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12764499328719930749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-28900074866046247832009-05-24T02:35:32.229-04:002009-05-24T02:35:32.229-04:00I really wanted to buy a pass hunter this summer b...I really wanted to buy a pass hunter this summer but don't think I'll be able to save the money, this might be an excellent even better alternative for what I need.Marrzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00778354888411511315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66862804739528707082009-05-12T12:14:00.000-04:002009-05-12T12:14:00.000-04:00Thanks for the response Chris. I suspected as much...Thanks for the response Chris. I suspected as much. Again, do you know the TT length and the standover on the 51 yet? I'd likely be running Hetres.<br />Best,<br />Todd S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-47402068255422814982009-05-11T10:07:00.000-04:002009-05-11T10:07:00.000-04:00We're not planning to make any other changes. We w...We're not planning to make any other changes. We want this frame in production!<br /><br />The problem with small sizes, and very large sizes, is that they sell in much smaller numbers, yet the factory wants the same minimum number for each size. Once the frames are selling well in popular sizes I'll be more willing to invest in more sizes.<br /><br />You should not compare these bikes to Dutch-style city bikes. Not all European city bikes are the same.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63767149434766476272009-05-11T09:33:00.000-04:002009-05-11T09:33:00.000-04:00The stem seem to extend too far forward. In my ex...The stem seem to extend too far forward. In my experience European city bikes with tall stems have very little if any forward extension, especially with riser bars.lee.watkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00650449275019133632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-10561811790967964062009-05-10T22:35:00.000-04:002009-05-10T22:35:00.000-04:00I'd like to make a pitch for a smaller frame size....I'd like to make a pitch for a smaller frame size. I'm not aware of an inexpensive but nice low trail frame available for those of us with short legs. I would definately buy one. I bet there are others. <br />Do you know the TT length and standover on the 51? Perhaps the combination of smaller diameter wheels and a low BB would put the 51 in range (I usually ride a 49cm roadbike).<br />But please take pity on us shorties since noone else will.<br />Thanks,<br />Todd S.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4565326281901175292009-04-30T12:11:00.000-04:002009-04-30T12:11:00.000-04:00Thought of four more things:
- add an adjustable ...Thought of four more things:<br /><br />- add an adjustable rear cable hanger;<br /><br />- just put the VO logo on top of the top tube rather than on the sides -- city bikes seem to call for slightly less exuberant logos;<br /><br />- consider offering a version with a threadless steerer; and<br /><br />- consider adding braze-ons to hold a ring lock.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49019112479868162662009-04-30T00:34:00.000-04:002009-04-30T00:34:00.000-04:00These are just great. Two small things I would ad...These are just great. Two small things I would add:<br /><br />- provide a tab to hold the rear of the chainguard, an inch or so above the dropout on the RHS seat stay, and <br /><br />- for sure, add a second set of eyelets to the fork, so as to allow for easy rack installation<br /><br />This thing's a winner!Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-28899570403744068342009-04-29T13:32:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:32:00.000-04:00Chain guards will fit and we are working on 650b w...Chain guards will fit and we are working on 650b wheels.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-44771447531026629712009-04-28T16:00:00.000-04:002009-04-28T16:00:00.000-04:00any plans to offer built up 650b wheels to go with...any plans to offer built up 650b wheels to go with the frame?<br /><br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-56542526342963562992009-04-28T13:08:00.000-04:002009-04-28T13:08:00.000-04:00Maybe I'll have to wait till next year, since I'm ...Maybe I'll have to wait till next year, since I'm too ignorant to tell the local shop how to build up the frame. Of course, they could probably think it up . . . <br /><br />Will it be easy to fit a chainguard to this frame? Chaincase?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17449473913362767685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-40213244702150672142009-04-28T10:07:00.000-04:002009-04-28T10:07:00.000-04:00The seat tube, and other angles, on this frame are...The seat tube, and other angles, on this frame are based on the French constructeur city bikes. These are quite different from the Dutch and British city bikes and, in my opinion, better suited to modern cities, especially those with some rolling terrain.<br /><br />As for build cost, we won't build up the frames here, but you can estimate the total cost by adding up the parts you like, plus whatever build fee the local shop charges. But next year I hope to have pre-built bikes based on these frames.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49992650945379861412009-04-27T12:48:00.000-04:002009-04-27T12:48:00.000-04:00Names: Buttes-Chaumont (park built by Haussmann at...Names: Buttes-Chaumont (park built by Haussmann at the behest of Napoleon III in a working-class neighborhood) or (more boring) Centre Ville (downtown).<br /><br />And, excuse the prying question, about how much will this thing cost if built up in modest Dutch-bike splendor: IHG, fenders, chainguard or (please) chaincase, rear rack? (I myself don't hunger for a porteur rack or hub dynamo.) I'm just trying to decide whether to hold off from buying something off-the-shelf.<br /><br />Buttes Chaumont would really be a great name, despite the cheap jokes it would elicit. It's a great park, very sleeveless-undershirt.<br /><br />Milles remerciements.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17449473913362767685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-71858476677940647682009-04-21T02:32:00.000-04:002009-04-21T02:32:00.000-04:00Please help me to establish the wikipedia page for...Please help me to establish the wikipedia page for City Bike. Currently I put it to direct toward European City Bike, because it was previously directed towards...hybrid bike (yikes!). I'd like to make City Bike its own wikipedia page.<br /><br />Let's reclaim the term City Bike. It's not just for Europeans any more.Zachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00067160300289035665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-79104313521209738392009-04-20T12:59:00.000-04:002009-04-20T12:59:00.000-04:00I'm sure I'm exposing great ignorance here, but wh...I'm sure I'm exposing great ignorance here, but why go with such a steep seat tube angle on a city bike? It seems like a 70-ish degree seat tube angle would do two good things: (1) let you put a toe down from the saddle, even with your saddle properly positioned; and (2) put you in a more powerful position (as compared to the sit-up-and-beg position that a steep seat tube angle plus high bars gets you). What am I missing?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16240784085754799767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-28961995004810472702009-04-19T10:23:00.000-04:002009-04-19T10:23:00.000-04:00I don't think there should be braze-ons. Or, if t...I don't think there should be braze-ons. Or, if there is, it should be on the RHS only. If I bought one of these, it would be internally geared, or RD-only, for sure, and an extra shift boss would be an excrescence. The randonneur frame would, in my view, be more appropriate for shift bosses.<br /><br />Perhaps what could be done is, put a RHS braze-on on there, and develop a clamp for the left shifter boss. I believe Simplex used to sell exactly such a device.<br /><br />Also, I wonder if there's an easy way to pre-rig these for a chainguard. It would require, what, only an extra boss on the right chainstay I reckon, at least if one used the type of guard that affixed to the BB.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-173917591802193782009-04-19T10:13:00.000-04:002009-04-19T10:13:00.000-04:00"I think a good name would be "Street Walker" - or..."I think a good name would be "Street Walker" - or some sort of French equivalent."<br /><br />Le Hookeur?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-33795881735554917712009-04-18T16:01:00.000-04:002009-04-18T16:01:00.000-04:00I think a good name would be "Street Walker" - or ...I think a good name would be "Street Walker" - or some sort of French equivalent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-24675485504847438002009-04-17T23:57:00.000-04:002009-04-17T23:57:00.000-04:00One more for Polyvalent.
I have a fantasy fixed ...One more for Polyvalent. <br /><br />I have a fantasy fixed gear bike in my head and this is pretty much the perfect frame for it. So please keep making it for the next 10 years or so because it's going to be a while before I have cause to build up my next fixed gear bike. <br /><br />i love the notion of VO clamp-on cable stops + DT shifters. Perhaps some wing-nut quickrelease skewer ends as well. <br /><br />as always a pleasure to watch it all come together<br /><br />patrickpatrick barberhttp://velocouture.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-47385944355954995002009-04-17T17:29:00.000-04:002009-04-17T17:29:00.000-04:00I'm OK with leaving off the DT shifter mounts, IF ...I'm OK with leaving off the DT shifter mounts, IF and ONLY IF (IFF) V-O makes attractive clamp-on alternatives. The only option for clamp-on mounts currently are to scrounge for some cheap/old clamp-ons, and salvage the clamping bands from those. I'm not talking about the clunky machined clamp-on stops that Problem Solvers makes.<br /><br />AND<br /><br /><I>I also like the name "Le Polyvalent". And two Frenchmen who happen to be visiting VO today tell me it is an ideal French name.</I> Great! -- so do I get a discount for coming up with the name??? (big grin)jim ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161517903295268167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-32130158597668889822009-04-17T15:45:00.000-04:002009-04-17T15:45:00.000-04:00They will be available to shops through VO Imports...They will be available to shops through VO Imports.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-90943747534771150532009-04-17T15:20:00.000-04:002009-04-17T15:20:00.000-04:00Hey, just wondering if these frames will be made a...Hey, just wondering if these frames will be made available to voimports accounts. I would really love to have a few of these in my shop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-46174946621987436112009-04-17T13:41:00.000-04:002009-04-17T13:41:00.000-04:00We'll have clamp on down tube shifters for this fr...We'll have clamp on down tube shifters for this frame.<br /><br />I also like the name "Le Polyvalent". And two Frenchmen who happen to be visiting VO today tell me it is an ideal French name.<br /><br />The ST and HT angles are about 73-degrees, but this should not be compared to angles on non-low trail bikes. The handling and ride is different.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-36764904324880760002009-04-17T13:27:00.000-04:002009-04-17T13:27:00.000-04:00Forgive me if I've missed this in a previous post,...Forgive me if I've missed this in a previous post, but what are the seat tube and head tube angles for this frame? Hoping they're more relaxed than most modern frames ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11901595881539257972009-04-17T13:04:00.000-04:002009-04-17T13:04:00.000-04:00I vote for NO d/t bosses or stops. Since you're us...I vote for NO d/t bosses or stops. Since you're using standard tubing, we can use clamp-on cable d/t shifters or cable stops for other shifters, or nothing at all.<br />I also vote for NO canti posts, or at least removable ones for those who prefer other types of brakes.<br />I love that you're using cable guides on the top tube. Those exposed cables are one of my pet peeves on modern bikes.<br />If this thing really sells for around $450, I don't think I'll be able to resist!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com