tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post3864597415671435829..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Pacenti Pari-Moto TiresVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-39161647188317009032015-07-30T10:33:38.413-04:002015-07-30T10:33:38.413-04:00I am running Grand Bois on Enve 650B rims (Speedva...I am running Grand Bois on Enve 650B rims (Speedvagen Urban Racer) - would desperately like to go tubeless but all attempts have failed - any recomendations?Jakesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6839092692494271122010-06-08T09:11:58.317-04:002010-06-08T09:11:58.317-04:00Fred Zeppelin, your explanation is interesting how...Fred Zeppelin, your explanation is interesting how ever a bit dated and just a small part of the equation of the way tyres are made today. TPI say nothing about how many layers the casing is made up of, nor what material, angle of the threads and additional puncture proof layers that is added to the outside of the casing and will affect the handling a lot more.fenderbendernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-59217142956793932922010-05-16T21:46:35.576-04:002010-05-16T21:46:35.576-04:00vo-
im happy to see more tire options for the 650...vo-<br /><br />im happy to see more tire options for the 650b market. im still waiting on a 38-45mm tire with tread - that would be way cooler. any ideas on 650b cx or path tires and possible availability? and yes i understand i can run panaracers at a lower psi but its not the same.andersonreedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01714180312043065178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6766818992687290102010-05-07T21:18:26.460-04:002010-05-07T21:18:26.460-04:00Anon at 5/6/10 5:20 PM said:
The nit-picking abou...Anon at 5/6/10 5:20 PM said:<br /><br />The nit-picking about the tire sidewalls has got me obsessing about other things - <br /><br />I noticed that the Campagne and the Ostrich handlebar bags do not list a TPI in the specs. Why is this ?<br /><br />I find it hard to endlessly speculate about miniscule differences when there is not a specification to fixate on. Which handlebar bag will roll faster and/or Plein better ?<br /><br />Please specify !!<br /><br />LOL!<br /><br />Whatever you do, don't say 'je suis plein' after dinner!! (Unless, of course, you are pregnant, in which case go right ahead...).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1439899915111200522010-05-07T14:47:52.510-04:002010-05-07T14:47:52.510-04:00The cloth on those bags is metric threaded, so TPI...The cloth on those bags is metric threaded, so TPI does not actually apply. <br /><br />There is a conversion, but historically you must first convert to Whitworth, then to SAE(you can thank Raleigh for that).Fred Zeppelinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42647450105120588122010-05-06T17:20:27.563-04:002010-05-06T17:20:27.563-04:00The nit-picking about the tire sidewalls has got m...The nit-picking about the tire sidewalls has got me obsessing about other things - <br /><br />I noticed that the Campagne and the Ostrich handlebar bags do not list a TPI in the specs. Why is this ?<br /><br />I find it hard to endlessly speculate about miniscule differences when there is not a specification to fixate on. Which handlebar bag will roll faster and/or Plein better ?<br /><br />Please specify !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-26448080885363602502010-05-06T15:37:50.752-04:002010-05-06T15:37:50.752-04:00Noah, tires have different feels that I can discer...Noah, tires have different feels that I can discern. I used to find 110 psi to ride hard until I got some new tires. I've tried them at 130 psi, and they feel softer than my old tires at 110. I might argue that the higher pressure gives me a performance advantage, but I can't measure that objectively. All I can say is that subjectively, there is a difference, and I BELIEVE I could tell it with a blind test.<br /><br />Tires are not all the same. All manufacturers are working very hard and competitively to improve their products. There are even technical details that the average consumer is unaware of. TPI is one thing, and I'm sure there are compound differences that I couldn't understand if someone explained them to me.Tom Reingoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18210010557421996209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-63193386261170380462010-05-06T14:22:30.392-04:002010-05-06T14:22:30.392-04:00Thanks for the heads up Mr. Matthews. I'll adm...Thanks for the heads up Mr. Matthews. I'll admit my tastes are just as expensive as yours, but I wouldn't call the schwalbes luxurious. Bouncy sure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-83647872117003754042010-05-06T10:06:26.359-04:002010-05-06T10:06:26.359-04:00I prefer Morbier.I prefer Morbier.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-35700937920049884812010-05-06T09:40:03.021-04:002010-05-06T09:40:03.021-04:00Tom, if you are going to answer all the possible p...Tom, if you are going to answer all the possible particulars you are NOT going to carry , invariably one of thes commenters will ask if they go well with brie, you could write a book that no one would want to read.Frenchy Rubentsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31513708906555003682010-05-06T08:50:09.412-04:002010-05-06T08:50:09.412-04:00Brother Trucker:
Come on! ;) You cannot on the on...Brother Trucker:<br /><br />Come on! ;) You cannot on the one hand take us to task for wanting a luxury tire and on the other tell us you are buying the wonderful, but certainly expensive, big Schwalbe.<br /><br />Most road 650B bike owners are afficinados. It stands to reason this sort of owner will be very particular about their tires.<br /><br />By the way, Berthoud makes a stainless fender that fits over those big Schwalbes.<br /><br />Tom: Thanks for the 5/5 1:12 p.m. post. I follow the 650B forum and agree Kirk put a lot of time and effort getting these tires to market. Rather than nit pick, I think we all need to thank Kirk - and VO for providing an outlet - for these nice new tires.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317200743222648289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-84916414385045013222010-05-06T04:12:03.400-04:002010-05-06T04:12:03.400-04:00Dudes, they're tires. Pretty tires yes, but in...Dudes, they're tires. Pretty tires yes, but in the end just tires. Or are we referring to tyres. I get so confused. Get the best you can afford that won't leave you patching a flat in a blizzard, mount it to the rim, inflate appropriately and ride'em 'til they won't hold air anymore. But what do I know, I ride in flannel shirts, haven't left the middle ring in a week and my mother wears combat boots. <br /><br />p.s. any chance they'll be a 700x 60mm alu fender in the works? I've got a new bike coming that'll take big schwalbes. prefer not to use plastic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6553651455761471902010-05-05T13:12:08.123-04:002010-05-05T13:12:08.123-04:00We talked to Kirk from the beginning about carryin...We talked to Kirk from the beginning about carrying these tires. We didn't buy that many, but it helped get the project off the ground. I'm not sure how many other wholesalers and retailers have committed to this. I doubt not many are interested in supporting such a niche market. <br /><br />The 650b list documents the product development timeline of this tire from the start. It is not just a Pasela or Grand Bois with a different hotpatch on it. Kirk took a huge risk in doing this, putting up a ton of his own money to bring it to fruition. It's not easy or cheap. <br />There are no plans to stock a 700c version, a wider version, a narrower version, a speedblend version, a black and tan version, a kevlar belted version or an OEM steel wire bead version. At least not through Velo Orange. <br />We really only wanted to stock the tan sidewall version, but the blackwall was made more compelling due to the higher thread count casing Kirk eventually ended up using. <br /><br />For the uninitiated, here's a seachstring for Pcenti ont he 650b list:<br />http://search.bikelist.org/?SearchString=pacenti&SortBy=MsgDate[d]&Scope=650bTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-19302205791760814382010-05-05T11:38:31.917-04:002010-05-05T11:38:31.917-04:00While I certainly understanding the thinking of th...While I certainly understanding the thinking of the posters wanting variations on the two models offered, suggest anyone who has not yet to check out the 650B forum. <br /><br />Kirk spent more than a year from concept to getting these two tires to market. His posts in the forum underscore just how much work something (to the unitiated at least) as seemingly simple as designing and manufacturing a few bike tires is. <br /><br />I did not realize VO would be carrying and also pre-ordered directly from Kirk. I got a black and tan sidewall, so I can use as the mood dictates.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13317200743222648289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-61111213811932002192010-05-05T11:06:10.551-04:002010-05-05T11:06:10.551-04:00Love the Black & Tan idea!
I guess the next b...Love the Black & Tan idea! <br />I guess the next best thing would be to use one of each. Which one should go on the front?<br /><br />Fred, the pencil analogy is great! No idea if it's accurate, but it makes sense. <br /><br />I pre ordered a set of each from Pacenti, so soon I'll be able to experiment.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08789051895458866675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-7371511568268551942010-05-05T09:53:47.266-04:002010-05-05T09:53:47.266-04:00Noah, one could discern a supple tire by the redu...Noah, one could discern a supple tire by the reduction in high frequency vibration transmitted through the tire to the handlebars compared to a heavier and stiffer casing. Like the difference between a truck tire and a passenger tire on a car. There's a reason most people have passenger tires on their SUVs and not truck tires, they ride more comfortably even when inflated to the same pressure. <br /> One of the reasons sew-ups were preferable to the first wired ons for racing besides lighter weight was that the grip was better. The wired ons are much better now and standard for racing but anyone who has ridden a fat sewup and a comparable sized heavy wired on will immediately notice the difference.<br /><br /> For those who enjoy the magical feeling of flying over a roadway comfortable riding tires can give a noticable difference. Which may not matter after loading the bike up with two grocery bags or getting a few extra flats.Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-62948401519864791512010-05-05T09:26:07.752-04:002010-05-05T09:26:07.752-04:00Noah,
Suppleness doesn't make a difference whe...Noah,<br />Suppleness doesn't make a difference when going over big bumps, you're right...tire pressure is the key variable for big bumps.<br /><br />However differences in tire compound are noticable when riding over small bumps, rocks, irregularities, etc. Harder compounds make the bike feel like it's skating, especially in rain or cold weather.<br /><br />Allan PollockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67602623780081329812010-05-05T07:51:10.058-04:002010-05-05T07:51:10.058-04:00Grant P. says "suppleness" is an illusio...Grant P. says "suppleness" is an illusionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-4151242618698130612010-05-05T05:56:59.364-04:002010-05-05T05:56:59.364-04:00Can anyone actually define suppleness in any sort ...Can anyone actually define suppleness in any sort of quantifiable way? Because from where I'm sitting, tire pressure is going to make much, much more difference in ride quality than sidewall thickness or flexibility or whatever. <br /><br />We all agree that flat or underinflated tires will bottom out, right? So how can the sidewall contribute anything meaningful to ride quality when a tire is properly inflated?<br /><br />And while I'm asking people to split hairs, I'll buy lunch for anyone who can identify the difference between 172.5mm crank arms and 175s from the saddle.<br /><br />Skeptically yours, NoahNoah Iliinskyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00183816958856520865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66472383175728559102010-05-05T00:00:17.383-04:002010-05-05T00:00:17.383-04:00Would it be possible to compromise and get these w...Would it be possible to compromise and get these with one Tan 67 TPI sidewall and one Black 127 tpi sidewall ?<br /><br />You could call it the "Black and Tan" model.<br /><br />I think this would quell some of the concerns over which tyre is supposed to be mo' better. I bet the B&T would tend to shimmy less when going downhill and also remove ugly age spots better than Porcelana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-91220949783513907172010-05-04T21:31:54.355-04:002010-05-04T21:31:54.355-04:00It makes no sense to price them differently, even ...It makes no sense to price them differently, even given different wholesale. Why don't you just price average them to $58 and call it good. There is already much ado about tpi and cosmetics, no need to give a third point for argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-75095459632238485692010-05-04T18:29:08.461-04:002010-05-04T18:29:08.461-04:00So the tan walls are heavier, less supple, and mor...So the tan walls are heavier, less supple, and more expensive than the black walls? I love the look of tan wall tires, but which one to get sure seems like a no-brainer to me.John https://www.blogger.com/profile/05101805415755063308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-10916444134368710112010-05-04T15:35:03.483-04:002010-05-04T15:35:03.483-04:00I stopped by Velo-Orange to get a stem and saw the...I stopped by Velo-Orange to get a stem and saw the Pacenti tires. The blackwalls are insanely supple. Basically they're like huge sew-ups. Can't imagine they'd resist glass shards very well but for those folks who used to weigh 50lbs less and rode Campionato Del Mundo silk sew ups on dirt roads, I suspect this would be like that all over again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-41187521825455254522010-05-04T15:35:03.484-04:002010-05-04T15:35:03.484-04:00I like to think of TPI as pencils laying next to e...I like to think of TPI as pencils laying next to each other on your desk, where each pencil represents an individual thread. <br /><br />To span 4" is about 13 pencils. Let's say we double the TPI, which means 26 smaller diameter pencils to span the same 4". If you visualize this, it also means that the layer is 1/2 the thickness, too. Which is where the suppleness comes from, in addition to the reduced amount of rubber needed to cover the smaller diameter threads.<br /><br />That's my take on it. Go to Vittoria's website, click on "Tech" and choose "casing". There's a good explanation there.<br /><br />How does this actually affect ride quality? And is it enough of an effect to matter? YMMV as they say.Fred Zeppelinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-7055944634982983432010-05-04T15:35:03.482-04:002010-05-04T15:35:03.482-04:00I like to think of TPI as pencils laying next to e...I like to think of TPI as pencils laying next to each other on your desk, where each pencil represents an individual thread. <br /><br />To span 4" is about 13 pencils. Let's say we double the TPI, which means 26 smaller diameter pencils to span the same 4". If you visualize this, it also means that the layer is 1/2 the thickness, too. Which is where the suppleness comes from, in addition to the reduced amount of rubber needed to cover the smaller diameter threads.<br /><br />That's my take on it. Go to Vittoria's website, click on "Tech" and choose "casing". There's a good explanation there.<br /><br />How does this actually affect ride quality? And is it enough of an effect to matter? YMMV as they say.Fred Zeppelinnoreply@blogger.com