tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post2868790348265355904..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Fillet Brazed Rando FrameVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-23489214414030376482013-08-12T00:38:39.198-04:002013-08-12T00:38:39.198-04:00I think its main attribute rust no,yes of course t...I think its main attribute rust no,yes of course that's true of any chromed metal.It's just that chromed rarely used in everywhere & chrome is a most durable & expensive finish.<br />chrome plated prototypeshttp://www.rpprototype.com/portfolio-view/chrome-plated-prototype/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-83863675994740317422010-09-19T17:18:40.338-04:002010-09-19T17:18:40.338-04:00I'm with the above comment on rear-facing trac...I'm with the above comment on rear-facing track dropouts. They let you slam your wheel closer, especially if you are running a variety of tire width sizes. This bike with rear-facing track ends AND a deraileur hangar would be epic.<br /><br />Also, if I'm going to drop $1200 on a gorgeous frame, I kind of want the option to run it fixed or SS for winter training, etc... then throw my deraileur on and a different rear wheel, and bam, back to a summertime road bike again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31380072909870339922010-09-12T18:04:09.146-04:002010-09-12T18:04:09.146-04:00It's already a head turner but imagine the eff...It's already a head turner but imagine the effect of a Solida crank with Lyotard pedals, a reserved understated look of class.TSVDPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799437719101782398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-64735966628888221082010-09-10T22:36:12.984-04:002010-09-10T22:36:12.984-04:00Nice frame ... but that fork bend is awful. It lo...Nice frame ... but that fork bend is awful. It looks like the fork on my Jamis Aurora. Like the bridge, though.dougnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-45171860595203393462010-09-08T11:57:57.015-04:002010-09-08T11:57:57.015-04:00Speaking of chromed forks, yes, you see them aroun...Speaking of chromed forks, yes, you see them around, on the net and at the bike shop where I got one recently. Someone needs to write an article concerning weight issues, forked crown vs. sloped fork, etc. and on what to look for if one gets a fork as a replacement for one in Reynolds 531 or others.TSVDPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08799437719101782398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60373826494285483042010-09-08T10:23:17.924-04:002010-09-08T10:23:17.924-04:00@ Bernard
I used to feel the same way about dropo...@ Bernard<br /><br />I used to feel the same way about dropouts and thought vertical were horrible. After owning a frame with them I'm now a convert as they make wheel removal easier and sooooo much better with fenders. Horizontal are certainly best for fixed conversion, but on a dedicated geared road bike vertical are worth reconsidering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-12465824552574873222010-09-08T09:48:31.775-04:002010-09-08T09:48:31.775-04:00Love the seat stay caps. Too much chrome, though; ...Love the seat stay caps. Too much chrome, though; chromed fork + right chain stay + maybe head lugs is the way I like it.Uncle Anklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-28271356039566387332010-09-08T09:45:33.488-04:002010-09-08T09:45:33.488-04:00Having owned three fillet-brazed frames, though no...Having owned three fillet-brazed frames, though none currently, they can be every bit as elegant as a lugged frame. The key is the filing and finishing, which should present a smooth transition from tube to tube. Otherwise there is little to recommend it over a nice, tight TIG weld. <br /><br />One Lyonsport and one Bilenky (both inexpensive and the latter something of a frame experiment) had unfiled brazing and to my eye were lumpy and unattractive. The third, a "Signature" quality Bilenky was very smooth and the only frame I've had that gave my Mariposa a run for its money looks-wise.<br /><br />I'm not sure that the photos here really capture the quality of filing, so perhaps a couple more could be added.<br /><br />Also, $1200 is surely a reasonable price for all the work involved. A fillet-brazed frameset built in North America would likely run $1000 more than that.Karlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09629789595382514394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87778024322047405712010-09-08T07:20:09.162-04:002010-09-08T07:20:09.162-04:00"... vertical drop-outs are the ultimate deal..."... vertical drop-outs are the ultimate dealbreaker for any bike afficinado. They make sense when one needs to save 0.4 seconds when changing a wheel during a race, but under no other circumstances..."<br /><br />Are you kidding? They make great sense if you are running fenders, they make great sense if you are using a contemporary shifting system, they make sense if you like a degree of added stiffness to the rear triangle, they also make sense if you like your axle wrapped in more than 1 degree of steel dropout material. There are more reasons vertical dropouts make sense, including but not limited to ease of brake alignment and tire size limitations with forward facing dropouts. <br /><br />If you do not understand any of these reasons, perhaps your credentials as a "bicycle afficinado" should be called into question.johnsonhttp://ridelugged.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-32359637036542035712010-09-08T01:08:59.989-04:002010-09-08T01:08:59.989-04:00Pretty cool. Chrome is cool in many ways, especia...Pretty cool. Chrome is cool in many ways, especially mixed with paint. The durability of chrome varies with both the initial quality as well as the maintenance it receives. If cheaply done it will peel. If not wiped clean and waxed, it can pit and eventually rust. It can, even, given enough usage, wear through. Irregardless, if you want a chromed frame, this looks pretty cool.Garthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-34641291287263118512010-09-08T00:31:11.346-04:002010-09-08T00:31:11.346-04:00Beautiful frame, and in my size as well. I serious...Beautiful frame, and in my size as well. I seriously considered buying it . . . until I saw the vertical drop-outs. Of the 13 bikes I own currently -- some of which are prototypes and one offs -- none has vertical drop-outs as these prohibit a fixed gear set-up. Horizontal drop-outs are fine, rear fork ends are good, but vertical drop-outs are the ultimate dealbreaker for any bike afficinado. They make sense when one needs to save 0.4 seconds when changing a wheel during a race, but under no other circumstancesBernardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-13989745955837189022010-09-08T00:20:43.717-04:002010-09-08T00:20:43.717-04:00Very nice. I think fully lugged would have really...Very nice. I think fully lugged would have really been the icing on the cake. To the folks who are dissing the chrome, well, have you any idea what VO is all about? I mean, geez, they sell new centerpull brakes and porteur racks! How outdated! ;)<br /><br />Anyway, great looking frame. I agree that a more radiused fork would have been more aesthetically pleasing.<br />This will make a really nice ride with a heap of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87029115737647593642010-09-07T23:19:20.882-04:002010-09-07T23:19:20.882-04:00chrome is beautiful but too shiny for those of us ...chrome is beautiful but too shiny for those of us who suffer from light-triggered migraines.<br /><br />Chris, you are working on a camping/touring frame with French geo, right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-91920064526245881532010-09-07T22:55:32.040-04:002010-09-07T22:55:32.040-04:00What is the top tube length? Would you sub one of ...What is the top tube length? Would you sub one of your 50.4 cranks?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16935324377897141176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-67979483701990380612010-09-07T21:48:43.667-04:002010-09-07T21:48:43.667-04:00Wow. Reminds me of my old 1978 Paris Sport ... Al...Wow. Reminds me of my old 1978 Paris Sport ... All chrome.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-36668346769412324732010-09-07T19:57:01.320-04:002010-09-07T19:57:01.320-04:00+1 on a VO touring frame. With or without lugs......+1 on a VO touring frame. With or without lugs...chrome or paint...PLEASE!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-76399821047426248232010-09-07T19:24:41.262-04:002010-09-07T19:24:41.262-04:00Make it 650B with centerpull bosses and I'd be...Make it 650B with centerpull bosses and I'd be all over it!<br />I like the chrome, but paint's good, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-38005650615461787912010-09-07T19:08:59.863-04:002010-09-07T19:08:59.863-04:00I like the chrome, but I'm more interested in ...I like the chrome, but I'm more interested in lugged construction. Fillet brazing is nicer than TIG welding but not as classy as a well-made lugged frame. <br /><br />What I would like to see is a fully lugged touring bike from VO. It would have the necessary braze-ons for classic camper style low-rider racks (which VO should make). Any plans?Nickhttp://ourstreets.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-17955749369906579342010-09-07T19:00:11.897-04:002010-09-07T19:00:11.897-04:00Ironically, I never noticed fork bends until readi...Ironically, I never noticed fork bends until reading Chris's "Designing Boats" post, now it's the only factor stalling my purchase of a new VO Polyvalent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-36480233772369805182010-09-07T18:49:19.582-04:002010-09-07T18:49:19.582-04:00This is a gorgeous bike...and to all the chrome ha...This is a gorgeous bike...and to all the chrome haters, what's more toxic, a single chroming job over 40 years or 3 or more repaints with Imron (also highly toxic)? <br /><br />That's assuming the painted bike wasn't discarded because of rust.<br /><br />Keep up the good work! This bike is definitely worth $1200+, although an elegant fork bend, as others suggest, would be nice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-58024474946355307622010-09-07T18:19:23.741-04:002010-09-07T18:19:23.741-04:00Chrome built up can be beautiful, though I prefer ...Chrome built up can be beautiful, though I prefer the nickel plating we did on Gina's budget randonneuse (the celebrated <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rickrise/3415335833/sizes/o/in/set-72157616307160711/" rel="nofollow"><b>Vivian</b></a>!).<br /><br />BTW paint pollutes too. So does nickel plating, but it does eliminate the chrome and looks (to my eye) a little nicer...just a tad warmer.<br /><br />Anyway, chrome has a long and noble history in the British, French, and Italian classic bike world.Rick @ Bicycle Fixationhttp://www.bicyclefixation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72112572498652917902010-09-07T18:03:44.262-04:002010-09-07T18:03:44.262-04:00Frame sold 5 minutes after posting. So yes, there ...Frame sold 5 minutes after posting. So yes, there are people who found $1200 a reasonable price. Yes, we know you don't like the fork; we've already said we've changed it.<br />AnnetteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-92016404009153323392010-09-07T17:48:00.975-04:002010-09-07T17:48:00.975-04:00My other issue with the prototype is that the rear...My other issue with the prototype is that the rear drop-outs interrupt the otherwise clean lines of the fillet brazing on the rest of the frame. Can the drop-outs be made as inserts to the seat/chain stays rather than capping over them? For me, fillet brazed bikes are great because they have smooth joints that make the parts of the frame flow together seamlessly. Those dropouts don't work well with that concept.stevep33https://www.blogger.com/profile/10442696805007475062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-56203402763852826142010-09-07T16:36:19.131-04:002010-09-07T16:36:19.131-04:00Hope the price includes a pair of VO sunglasses as...Hope the price includes a pair of VO sunglasses as all that shiny chrome would blind you on a sunny day! Chrome looks cool!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11815627808392992612010-09-07T15:16:56.780-04:002010-09-07T15:16:56.780-04:00Anon 2:21: While I would rather not have a chrome...Anon 2:21: While I would rather not have a chrome bike, fear of damage is rather low on my reasoning list. <br /><br />Chrome is much more durable than paint or powder coat. <br /><br />Don't believe me, look at the chrome bumpers on an old Chevy or the chrome spokes on an old British roadster. Chrome stands up to just about anything.Joelnoreply@blogger.com