tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post1864456121926595126..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Little ThingsVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-15338787324133318922009-05-27T20:56:09.351-04:002009-05-27T20:56:09.351-04:00so whats the ETA on the french thread bb's? thanks...so whats the ETA on the french thread bb's? thanks for producing, Chris!nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246379295062064316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-70779826409359787502009-04-22T08:24:00.000-04:002009-04-22T08:24:00.000-04:00I too like the looks of that chain guard, but, wil...I too like the looks of that chain guard, but, will the bottom bracket mount mess up my nice, straight chainline?geetushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00271972019609448482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-5586328292212403222009-04-05T16:47:00.000-04:002009-04-05T16:47:00.000-04:00The tapers are JIS. We used the same spindle and s...The tapers are JIS. We used the same spindle and spindle lengths as on our BSA thread bottom brackets. <BR/>Opening tooling to make ISO taper spindles is something that is beyond velo orange's budget and sales. <BR/><BR/>A lot of bikes with french thread BB's have cottered steel cranks, so you would end up replacing the crank anyway. <BR/><BR/>We will make it clear that taper style should also be a consideration when buying a BBset and figuring out spindle length.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-75194273279262679742009-04-03T17:16:00.000-04:002009-04-03T17:16:00.000-04:00Yay, French thread bottom brackets! I'm excited th...Yay, French thread bottom brackets! I'm excited that they're being offered but I'd like to have a bit more information from Tom and Chris before I can make the decision to purchase one.<BR/><BR/>How did you determine the widths for your French bottom brackets (110mm, 116mm, and 122mm)? The spindle tapers are JIS, not French/ISO, right? Were these designed to be used with ISO or JIS taper cranks?<BR/><BR/>http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bbtaper.html<BR/><BR/>It might be worth mentioning to customers that it's not a simple substitution; the threading of the bottom bracket isn't the only consideration.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, GregGregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57324738527250044822009-04-03T16:50:00.000-04:002009-04-03T16:50:00.000-04:00I really like the adjustable fender stay. People ...I really like the adjustable fender stay. People say you shouldn't need to adjust, but I find I do:<BR/><BR/>1) Changing between studded tires for winter and slick for summer.<BR/><BR/>2) If the fender gets bent, tweaking the stay length to stop it from rubbing the tire is easier than taking the wheel out and bending everything.<BR/><BR/>Yes, you can leave extra length with other systems but the extra sticking out is ugly and sticks out to catch on clothing, bushes, etc.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, why bother with a chainguard rather than going all the way and getting a chaincase. Chainguards are for toy bikes used to ride the the cafe on sunny days. Chain cases are for utility bikes that are ridden in all weather.Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076080703641893710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-3737928843541511512009-04-02T20:46:00.000-04:002009-04-02T20:46:00.000-04:00I sort of like the new fender stay. Looks are not ...I sort of like the new fender stay. Looks are not everything. And I imagine it will work and install fine, and allows for fairly fine adjusting.<BR/><BR/>If nothing else it's distinctive. And I haven't seen any other equivalent right now. Sell it!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11777627222904903651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-49641537350921830312009-04-02T16:54:00.000-04:002009-04-02T16:54:00.000-04:00Cutting a chainguard isn't so bad if it's ss or al...Cutting a chainguard isn't so bad if it's ss or alu, but not chrome plated steel. <BR/><BR/>The only bike I could find that has chainstays long enough for your chaincover was dutch and not the sort of bike that needs an aftermarket chainguard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60663057756363517252009-04-02T16:44:00.000-04:002009-04-02T16:44:00.000-04:00Any word on when the french bb's are coming in? my...Any word on when the french bb's are coming in? my father's u08 is just languishing in my basement after being powdercoated!<BR/>-RobinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-53751793429117394022009-04-02T14:28:00.000-04:002009-04-02T14:28:00.000-04:00For the fender stays, what about a lower sleeve th...For the fender stays, what about a lower sleeve that the upper part slides into, with a grub screw to hold it in place? That way you could adjust fender line while everything was in place, instead of removing, tweaking, and re-installing.<BR/><BR/>- JeffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-42550485473737012412009-04-02T13:25:00.000-04:002009-04-02T13:25:00.000-04:00"I like the alternative mounts that Jitensha sells..."I like the alternative mounts that Jitensha sells, but don't feel like drilling out the threads in the drop out to make it work."<BR/><BR/>I love those things, I'm assuming you mean the ones with the allen clamp screw.<BR/><BR/>I've been figuring out how to use a set when I get around to ordering them, what I think will work without drilling is, assuming they are M5 threaded as they appear, is to screw them into the eyelet, use a rubber or compressible washer to take up gap between eyelet and frame that may exist when the eye is in the proper orientation.<BR/><BR/>Then use the lock nut on the back side. This will work fine. If there isn't enough clearance, cut the bolt down a little and use a thinner nut. If there still isn't enough clearance, cut them down a little more and "pin" the thread with a tiny punch.<BR/><BR/>These don't have to be really secure anyhow, probably could just screw them in, again, assuming M5 threads, forget about backside locking - when the stay is inserted, they aren't going to screw off or anything, that would be impossible. The allen screw holds the tension on the stay, not the threaded connection into the eyelet as on more common p clamps.<BR/><BR/>The key is whether these things are M5. Anyhow, they are the best looking stay mounts out there now, imo.robatsuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641711964135698976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-32811104715870790802009-04-02T13:13:00.000-04:002009-04-02T13:13:00.000-04:00Anon typed- 'You ignored a couple of valid questio...Anon typed- 'You ignored a couple of valid questions. Your current chainguard is too long and has to be cut or bent to fit common chain stay lengths. Check out ANT photos if you don't know what I mean. The chainguard was designed for what, beach cruisers? That's the problem and I think that is what Lars was referring to when he asked about its length.<BR/><BR/>What about the bb mount for the chainguard? Dutch bikes use a bb designed specifically for that purpose with a thinner flange. Or is it not an issue because it is only as thick as a common spacer?'<BR/>################<BR/>The guard is anodized blue, not black. We will try to get our guards in a silver polished and un-anodized finish, but we may have to settle for the bead blasted and silver anodized finish. <BR/><BR/>ANT bike Mike specs our steel chainguard on his bikes, among other parts and components. He mods them to fit. It's a little longer than ideal, but with the range of stay lengths and applications, it's hard to make a one size fits all guard. There will be some mods at your end. If we made it too short, there can be interference with the chain, so it's better to leave it a little longer for a wider range of fits.<BR/> <BR/>We are hacking up the alloy chainguard today to determine the best length though. The chainguard length will be dependent on chainstay length- The longest we've encountered here and on most VO style bikes are 44cm stays. The shortest useful stay length is 400mm. Are there other assumptions I should take into account? <BR/> <BR/>The BB mount is steel and it's flanged to increase rigidity without making it super thick. It should affect chainline by 1-1.3mm at the most. <BR/><BR/>I'll have more feedback later today. and maybe pictures.....Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-16719427766219469372009-04-02T03:54:00.000-04:002009-04-02T03:54:00.000-04:00Wow,Well, I also have mixed feelings about the new...Wow,<BR/><BR/>Well, I also have mixed feelings about the new fender mounts. I think you should make them, because at least half the people will buy them.<BR/><BR/>I need to do something about the Honjo mounts on the rear of my Waterford dropout Heron so that I can mount the constructor rack. There's interference.<BR/><BR/>I like the alternative mounts that Jitensha sells, but don't feel like drilling out the threads in the drop out to make it work.<BR/><BR/>I think what I have to do is trim off the 3/16" excess and turn the little clamps so that the rods are on the bottom. Does that make sense? <BR/><BR/>Actually, I'm still trying to think of my own clever solution that is simplistically elegant.Garthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-84290982443698020602009-04-01T23:16:00.000-04:002009-04-01T23:16:00.000-04:00garrett b,Yes, the Surly racks, for example, use t...garrett b,<BR/><BR/>Yes, the Surly racks, for example, use the same idea and they use lock nuts too. I think it helps with vibration (remember, unless the adjustable insert is in all the way, it's loose) and also keeps the adjustment in place if you ever have to remove the fender/rack/whatever and reinstall it.patates friteshttp://www.patates.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-12123440622972991992009-04-01T15:48:00.000-04:002009-04-01T15:48:00.000-04:00Commenting on the adjustable fender stay end, and ...Commenting on the adjustable fender stay end, and assuming the female "eye bolt" is theaded, why is a locknut necessary? Attachment to the fender eyelet should prevent rotation thus setting the adjustment.<BR/><BR/>This same adjustable stay can be used for racks.Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16052829324146282574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60170181959475166842009-04-01T15:44:00.000-04:002009-04-01T15:44:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Garretthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16052829324146282574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-69594415479614403502009-04-01T14:56:00.000-04:002009-04-01T14:56:00.000-04:00Not only are those new stays ugly (compared to the...Not only are those new stays ugly (compared to the current stays), the design creates a large stress riser where the stay threads into the eye-bolt part. Maybe the stay is over built enough that this won't be a problem, but a flaw has definitely been designed in.alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17740848367319920093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-62545329264631474782009-04-01T12:55:00.000-04:002009-04-01T12:55:00.000-04:00"We also etched thread directions on the cup so yo..."We also etched thread directions on the cup so you know how to remove it."<BR/><BR/>Brilliant!!!Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14737612355649780676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-87366554586376666812009-04-01T12:07:00.000-04:002009-04-01T12:07:00.000-04:00You ignored a couple of valid questions. Your cur...You ignored a couple of valid questions. Your current chainguard is too long and has to be cut or bent to fit common chain stay lengths. Check out ANT photos if you don't know what I mean. The chainguard was designed for what, beach cruisers? That's the problem and I think that is what Lars was referring to when he asked about its length. <BR/><BR/>What about the bb mount for the chainguard? Dutch bikes use a bb designed specifically for that purpose with a thinner flange. Or is it not an issue because it is only as thick as a common spacer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-71572646681795794542009-04-01T11:41:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:41:00.000-04:00Don't like the new fender stay design. Looks overl...Don't like the new fender stay design. Looks overly complicated, especially for a part that gets so thoroughly soaked, covered in road salt, dirt, sand and mud. My guess is that on one of my bikes, the new design would be rendered useless after about one season. Anyone who can't figure out how to cut fender stays should probably just get the esge fenders from Riv.<BR/><BR/>I do like the new chain guard. could be pretty. is it aluminum?buck-50https://www.blogger.com/profile/08208894051289539066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-46608980914053762912009-04-01T11:21:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:21:00.000-04:00and the threaded headset in the drawing is somethi...and the threaded headset in the drawing is something we are working on. Not sure if we will go forward with it. If we do, it will have alloy cups and locknut with caged bearings. And it will be in a box.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-6228736338353812442009-04-01T11:19:00.001-04:002009-04-01T11:19:00.001-04:00the French thread BB will be just like our gran cr...the French thread BB will be just like our gran cru BB- cromo spindle, alloy cups, sealed bearings. We also etched thread directions on the cup so you know how to remove it. <BR/>The Gran Cru threadless headset remains unchanged; we are not making a cheaper version.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01015305191743399671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-11837731070000672572009-04-01T11:19:00.000-04:002009-04-01T11:19:00.000-04:00The chain guard will fit most frames with stays ov...The chain guard will fit most frames with stays over 40cm long.<BR/><BR/>The bags will be here soon, very soon.<BR/><BR/>It's the VO BB, not the Grand Cru.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-15699717567370109622009-04-01T10:49:00.000-04:002009-04-01T10:49:00.000-04:00Is the new headset based on your Gran Cru or the c...Is the new headset based on your Gran Cru or the cheaper VO version?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-57079725608916058242009-04-01T03:44:00.000-04:002009-04-01T03:44:00.000-04:00" Anonyme a dit... Adjustable fender stays are ...<I>" Anonyme a dit...<BR/><BR/> Adjustable fender stays are not nice looking. You have already screwed up the fenders by adding predrilled holes and brackets, what happened to keeping it simple? Most of your newer designs have moved farther away from what was so great about VO products, simply stuff that worked great.<BR/><BR/> 01/04/09 01:09"</I><BR/>Yet another reason to ban anonymous comments. <BR/><BR/>Have an opinion, but have the <I>huevos</I> to sign your "name" to it.Raiynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008417835955777719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-79600787688996831952009-04-01T03:22:00.000-04:002009-04-01T03:22:00.000-04:00Greetings, The fender stays are functional, yet un...Greetings, <BR/>The fender stays are functional, yet unfashionable.<BR/><BR/>Best regards.kilroynoreply@blogger.com