tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post1316745641931595916..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Freewheel Testing and Last MixteVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-60591160041857223072016-11-27T13:11:55.168-05:002016-11-27T13:11:55.168-05:00I have been riding on my 70's and 80's roa...I have been riding on my 70's and 80's road bikes and have never broke a freewheel. I have been using Regina Oro, Dura-ace, Shimano 600-Ex, SunTour Winner, and Sachs Maillard freewheels. These freewheels are great and serve you well if you maintain them properly, i.e. lube the bearings every thousand miles. Any oil would work. I use 5W-20 motor oil, general purpose oil,etc. Don't just use WD-40 or any gunk cleaner. Soon these awesome Japanese-made freewheels will completely disappear. If you love these freewheels, maintain them and they will serve you well and most likely outlive their owners.Cyclingdad56https://www.blogger.com/profile/10470207984958884786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-27524265826327738822011-12-29T00:18:58.702-05:002011-12-29T00:18:58.702-05:00VO,
I used Sachs ARIS freewheels in the 90's. ...VO,<br />I used Sachs ARIS freewheels in the 90's. I would get about 4500 miles out of them before they began to stick and slap the chain against the chainstay. Back then I raced and included intervals and slow roll start sprints into my training. Needless to say this reduced the life of the freewheel. I knew guys who didn't do this kind of training and got about 10,000 miles out of a freewheel. I hope this helps. I kept good records on my training back then and I'm confident these numbers are correct. My weight was about 155 - 160 lbs back in the day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-81763646423500637642011-11-03T13:39:46.984-04:002011-11-03T13:39:46.984-04:00The cheep $#% modern shimano 7 speed ones work jus...The cheep $#% modern shimano 7 speed ones work just fine though on every one I've had there has been one funky cog. One I had replaced after a month.<br /><br />Never actually worn one out at $15 a piece just replace with the chain. I have worn out 3 freehubs and many cassettes.<br /><br />If you are going to make one. 13-28 7sp is a classic. But to be different try 13-34 (k) or 13-32 with 24/28/32 sitting on the end.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-26839770830506086152011-08-14T23:59:28.059-04:002011-08-14T23:59:28.059-04:00currently using a suntour 13-23 7 speed freewheel ...currently using a suntour 13-23 7 speed freewheel with a 24/36/46 crankset. hard to part with my mavic 501 sealed hubs. on my trainer is an older frame with suntour cyclone sealed hubs. still have to replace a bearing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-48946022836107318572011-08-07T12:58:58.263-04:002011-08-07T12:58:58.263-04:00A 7 speed FW would be great. 12 or 13-28. 12/13/1...A 7 speed FW would be great. 12 or 13-28. 12/13/15/17/20/24/28 or 13/15/17/19/21/24/28.<br />I use 13-32 7 speed Sachs still with 135mm Phil hubs, and have more 5 NOS ones just waiting for me to use :) Sachs were/are better than the Suntours. The spacing is even and they use a proper remover, not that two pronged one. <br /><br />Freewheels are still viable today because many of us only need 6 or 7 speed clusters. Using a spacer on a cassette hub is kind of waste... and the choice of 7 speed CS is poor. I like FW's .. and I like being able to put ANY FW on my hubs, thank you very much.M Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17707828747615057348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-72092162759268495712011-06-23T03:24:59.794-04:002011-06-23T03:24:59.794-04:00Bought a 13-32 IRD 7 speed freewheel last year. I...Bought a 13-32 IRD 7 speed freewheel last year. It wasn't good, had dead spots when I would start up after coasting. I switched back to the cheap-o Shimano freewheels and there have been no problems with them.<br /><br />I love the close ratio aspect of the Shimano 14-28 (14-16-18-20-22-24-28) and the 13-28 (13-15-17-19-21-24-28), but would like a lower gear than the 28. High end isn't important to me. I'd suggest a 14-32 like the Shimano "F" cassette -- 14-16-18-21-24-28-32. Nice range and still fairly close ratios. I would buy one for sure if it were of good quality.OldZephyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03433995964290103077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-66995680918555399262011-05-20T08:21:29.081-04:002011-05-20T08:21:29.081-04:00About all of the of comments on IRD freehweels. Ar...About all of the of comments on IRD freehweels. Are they concerning the mark IV or the earlier versions?<br />On Harris they seem to really recommend the new mark IV versions, but...<br />The main interest is to find a reference, which is agreed upon as a good freewheel. Many seem to like the suntor. I have a little experience with the maillard 700, which is very nice and quiet.<br />Hope to see a real quality freewheel at some point from you guys.David og Franciscahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10649575297535167678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-25702291150561693522011-05-03T19:12:52.870-04:002011-05-03T19:12:52.870-04:00ird freewheel #1 : 10k miles, started freewheeling...ird freewheel #1 : 10k miles, started freewheeling both ways<br /><br />ird freewheel #2 : 400 miles, turned into a fixed cog<br /><br />ird freewheel #3 : just got it, we'll see.<br /><br />suntour freewheels of all types, no problems.<br /><br />need better freewheels. would pay shimano xt prices for a lightweight functional one.erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18442786946589028045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-84113380694185883762011-04-30T00:10:02.387-04:002011-04-30T00:10:02.387-04:00I had a thought today on this subject. I have fre...I had a thought today on this subject. I have freewheels that are still going strong, but wearing out in the teeth. I can rebuild a body if it needs it, but not cog teeth. What if you looked into the most common, reliable and available freewheel bodys, and had cogs made for them? you have people calling for corncobs and some for 34 tooth touring gears. Tooling would be a lot less than trying to manufacture a body.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-68512201635410039062011-04-21T22:36:35.590-04:002011-04-21T22:36:35.590-04:00My favorite for friction shifting is a Dura-Ace 13...My favorite for friction shifting is a Dura-Ace 13-26 6-speed with the uniglide twisted teeth. I went through 2 IRDs very quickly, and I didn't like the loud, slow shifting of the Suntours. I really don't think we need more cheap freewheels.depnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-13731240057182458702011-04-21T03:08:14.689-04:002011-04-21T03:08:14.689-04:00A close ratio 6 or seven speed would be great.A close ratio 6 or seven speed would be great.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-31635864960371962762011-04-20T15:30:55.557-04:002011-04-20T15:30:55.557-04:00I think you should make the best freewheel ever. H...I think you should make the best freewheel ever. Hands down. Good enough is a slippery slope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-38919536835914551612011-04-18T15:49:12.047-04:002011-04-18T15:49:12.047-04:00A few months ago, I had an IRD freewheel fail afte...A few months ago, I had an IRD freewheel fail after only a few months of commuting use. The body of the freewheel spontaneously cracked where the smallest cog threads on, leaving me stranded miles from home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-17872240313846535482011-04-18T00:16:10.206-04:002011-04-18T00:16:10.206-04:00Sun Tour freewheels were easy to diassemble.The tr...Sun Tour freewheels were easy to diassemble.The trick was to open them up, fill the bearing race with loose balls, subtract three balls, lube with Phil grease, watch them last forever. This game was even more fun when you could go to your LBS and buy only the cogs you needed when they wore down.<br />Sample variation was large, but I remember stock freewheel bodies that had 12 fewer 1/8" bearings than optimum and no lubrication past some packing oil so they wouldn't rust in shipping. Those stock bodies lasted a long time. A filled and greased Sun Tour body was good for at least 100,000k. And they got quiet. After greasing, no difference between 8.8.8 Pro Compe New Winner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-33263304299006313092011-04-16T18:36:38.589-04:002011-04-16T18:36:38.589-04:00One more vote for a quality 6spd FW. I just had a ...One more vote for a quality 6spd FW. I just had a set of wheels built up on VO hubs for my new randonneuring bike and the IRD FW crapped out on me on the ride home! Still, from the brief noodle around town yesterday I could tell I loved the combo of VO cranks (46/30) and 6spd FW 13-28. Today I replaced thee 6spd with a 7spd IRD which is fine. I'll get the 6spd warrantied and see what happens. I'd prefer to stick with 6spd.<br /><br />If VO is going to go to the trouble of making FW hubs you might as well make some quality FWs to go on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-40022311076107856482011-04-16T11:10:10.453-04:002011-04-16T11:10:10.453-04:00back in the day ,yeah i,m getting on ,lbs used to ...back in the day ,yeah i,m getting on ,lbs used to have replacement cogs[suntour ,shimano.I,ve still got a a collection<br />of assorted removers and a stein f.w.lube device,chainwhips etc.My fave freewheels,sachs,7 spd have a few for backup.A new source of 5,6,7's would keep us oldies rollinglee kenneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-69094595797473031832011-04-15T04:43:38.814-04:002011-04-15T04:43:38.814-04:00Among the - admittedly generally dilapidated - roa...Among the - admittedly generally dilapidated - road bikes with 120 freewheel hubs I've owned or ridden, not ONE hasn't had at least a slightly bent rear axle.<br /><br />Never had any problems with beat up old MTB wheels with cassette hubs, axle-wise.<br /><br />What I'm trying to say is: I avoid multi speed freewheels.Uncle Anklenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-78499610681260846652011-04-14T00:06:10.324-04:002011-04-14T00:06:10.324-04:00I had a low-end 7-sp Shimano FW that actually out-...I had a low-end 7-sp Shimano FW that actually out-lasted the hub on my BSO which turned to crap after about 1K miles. The last FW I put a lot of miles on lasted between 200 and 300 miles on my recumbent before crumbling under my mighty thighs with 2 broken pawls and no bearings on the inside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-86513933175153395002011-04-13T23:52:51.822-04:002011-04-13T23:52:51.822-04:00Oh-oh, My regina America 12,4,6,8,1,5,31 that I pu...Oh-oh, My regina America 12,4,6,8,1,5,31 that I pulled used off eBay 10yrs. ago and put 17,000mi. on is going to blow up?! With a SRAM chain Sachs Quartz derailleur and Campy C-record retrofriction shifters it still spins silently and shifts like a bank vault tumbler. 45,42,26 chainrings. I did replace the 16 18 cogs after 5000mi. It gets regular cleanings & lube.<br /><br />The rest of the stable is all freehub. But a freewheel for an older narrow frame OR to build a dishless rear makes lots of sense.<br /><br />IMO though it's not the effort unless it's a hyperglide compatible 7sp with 9sp spacing and is a good close ratio half step plus granny. With a proper rando chainstay this nearly eliminates chainline issues. An 11,3,5,7,0,4,29 with 44, 41, 28 rings also serves me well.vadexci<br /><br />Now lets see. Is that new gran cru hub easily adjustable for spacing and lock nut dimensions?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-58250614914598089042011-04-13T20:41:20.642-04:002011-04-13T20:41:20.642-04:00I recently sold two wheelsets built around Phil Fr...I recently sold two wheelsets built around Phil Freewheel hubs after 2 out of 3 IRD freewheels developed a terrible sound and feel while coasting. I'll cry if Velo Orange supplies a nice 7 speed freewheel.Reynolds 531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-35119872470465363592011-04-13T20:05:00.218-04:002011-04-13T20:05:00.218-04:00it would be great if you produce a 7spd freewheel....it would be great if you produce a 7spd freewheel. i would hope you also produce a 13-24 freewheel for all of us still using vintage road bikes from the 70's and 80's.johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-86368793124119147752011-04-13T18:17:43.510-04:002011-04-13T18:17:43.510-04:00About 10 years ago I picked up a few custom 5sp Sa...About 10 years ago I picked up a few custom 5sp Sach's freewheels from a shop in England (St. John Street Cycles). They have served me excellently over the years.<br /><br />I also troll eBay for 5sp suntour new winner's in a desirable (to me) configuration. These also seem to last a really long time.<br /><br />I yearly oil my "stock" of freewheels.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11466056822830439396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-23813593963449707532011-04-13T18:07:22.874-04:002011-04-13T18:07:22.874-04:00My ideal would be a SunTour ultra six, for durabil...My ideal would be a SunTour ultra six, for durability and excellent weatherproofing, along with 120mm frame spacing compatibility, but with a hyperglide tooth profile for smoother shifting performance. <br /><br />The ideal ranges would be 13-24T for bikes with short deraillleurs, 14 - 28T six speed or 14 - 32 for seven speed.<br /><br />And on the seventh cog there shalt not be a black finish, for it doth look most cheap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-56556376620459993572011-04-13T12:39:49.085-04:002011-04-13T12:39:49.085-04:00Although the freehub/cassette combination is techn...Although the freehub/cassette combination is technically better, it's mostly better for heavier riders. I'm light (130), and I even though I do right mountains, I really don't NEED so many gears. I don't race my friction festooned, vintage bikes, so I like freewheels. I've never broken ANY freewheel, and I have quite a collection, but I'm gentle on my equipment to make it last. In my collection, I have the highest mileage on SunTour Winners. They also have the tall teeth another was asking for. eBay still has some up for sale occasionally, but they command quite a premium over all others.Phil Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06588332937109449568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-47406889493943260052011-04-13T08:16:12.256-04:002011-04-13T08:16:12.256-04:00I ran Sachs freewheels up until the late 1990'...I ran Sachs freewheels up until the late 1990's. They were good, but the last few years of production, the quality went down and I started to have problems like the cogs unscrewing from the body, etc. They are date-coded so I would avoid any built after say 1996/1997. They also lack the tooth profiles that make Hyper-glide & Exa-drive shift so well. I currently run modern 9 speed cassettes (both Shimano & Campagnolo) with my friction shift set-ups and my bikes have never shifted better. (and no more bent and broken axles!) Eventually, the availablity of these older good quality freewheels will disappear. -TonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com