tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post117251384146108260..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: The North American Handmade Bicycle ShowVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172759537804385842007-03-01T09:32:00.000-05:002007-03-01T09:32:00.000-05:00I'm not arguing for higher handlebars. I would jus...I'm not arguing for higher handlebars. I would just note that while Grant may say that 1 degree is insignificant, it's 1/2" on a typical length tube top. Cheat another 1/2" on a well designed head tube and you've picked up an 1". I say "well designed" because if the lift is integral to the casting rather than added on it's not as noticeable as a tacked on extension. You guys have better eyes than I do. I have a Grant designed bike and didn't realize it was a sloped tube until I mounted a rear rack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172730411966949112007-03-01T01:26:00.000-05:002007-03-01T01:26:00.000-05:00I personally dislike the aesthetics of OS tubing. ...I personally dislike the aesthetics of OS tubing. I have no problem with a one degree upslope on the TT. <BR/>I assume there is an upslope on Chris' silver frame as the VO framesets are supposed to have this feature - but my eye cannot detect it in the pictures. If it is indeed a sloped TT, it's certainly subtle enough for my tastes.<BR/><BR/>nvAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172726675763138302007-03-01T00:24:00.000-05:002007-03-01T00:24:00.000-05:00David, I had the same discussion with Grant Peters...David, I had the same discussion with Grant Petersen. I said that the bikes he designs have a top tube that only rises a degree or two and doesn't really help get the handlebar height up to any great degree, so why not just make the top tube level and he countered that the rise is so slight that you'd never notice that the top tube isn't level. So I said, then why not make it level?<BR/><BR/>I hate slightly sloping top tubes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172711764252184682007-02-28T20:16:00.000-05:002007-02-28T20:16:00.000-05:00One thing that I think contributes to the stately ...One thing that I think contributes to the stately look of the Toeis: the top tubes are dead horizontal. When it's one or two degrees slanted, as is customary on some more modern neoclassical bikes, I personally think it looks like a mistake. It's just enough off to throw it off balance. My Kogswell, which I think has a one degree sloped TT, just doesn't look quite right. I realize that people do this to get the bars up and get standover height under control, but I do think there's a tradeoff on pure aesthetics. My $.02.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172699029357301342007-02-28T16:43:00.000-05:002007-02-28T16:43:00.000-05:00Different strokes indeed. I kind of like it as a ...Different strokes indeed. I kind of like it as a fast urban bike. The selection of components seems very focused. The bike was built with a vision what what it should do efficently. And I think the black is a nice touch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172693426432953592007-02-28T15:10:00.000-05:002007-02-28T15:10:00.000-05:00Chris,I know that Mr. Nagasawa built the frame, bu...Chris,<BR/><BR/>I know that Mr. Nagasawa built the frame, but do you mean to say that he chose the componentry, too?! Ah well, different strokes for different folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172686571699265612007-02-28T13:16:00.000-05:002007-02-28T13:16:00.000-05:00That's great news about the storefront . . . I'll ...That's great news about the storefront . . . I'll definitely head down to MD to visit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172671207713963212007-02-28T09:00:00.000-05:002007-02-28T09:00:00.000-05:00Jesse, But Nagasawa built and showed that bike. I ...Jesse, But Nagasawa built and showed that bike. I think it's really cool. Maybe he wanted a break from building all those gorgeous keirin bikes.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172637242003230222007-02-27T23:34:00.000-05:002007-02-27T23:34:00.000-05:00Don't know if anyone else caught this...http://www...Don't know if anyone else caught this...<BR/><BR/>http://www.popdan.com/hmbs05/images/nagasawa5.jpg<BR/><BR/>Blasphemy, imo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172624024571555102007-02-27T19:53:00.000-05:002007-02-27T19:53:00.000-05:00Another Off Topic tricky Weinmann interface issue....Another Off Topic tricky Weinmann interface issue. Will the 22mm standard bar clamps stretch to fit 26mm Nitto bars? And if not, is this just a generic piece to pick up at a place like Loose Screws? The stock 22mm clamp on Ebay looks like a curved flat bar with holes in it. <BR/><BR/>Thank YouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172604067264032022007-02-27T14:21:00.000-05:002007-02-27T14:21:00.000-05:00Weinmann brakes rule!Weinmann brakes rule!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172599478917313512007-02-27T13:04:00.000-05:002007-02-27T13:04:00.000-05:00so your loaded touring bike doesn't go every which...so your loaded touring bike doesn't go every which way when leaning it up against the wall, perhaps><BR/>M BurdgeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172597879196377802007-02-27T12:37:00.000-05:002007-02-27T12:37:00.000-05:00Off Topic: I have a set of Weinmann touring brake ...Off Topic: I have a set of Weinmann touring brake levers "with locks". The locks are spring buttons which lock the levers in the braked position. Quirky little gidget which I can think of no us for. Any theories?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172595049672474942007-02-27T11:50:00.000-05:002007-02-27T11:50:00.000-05:00David, You mean freewheel? ;David, You mean freewheel? ;<) Now that you mention it, you do need to put an extra spacer on the axle with some bikes or bend the eyelet out. I have to look at my Simplex dropouts.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172593290501720322007-02-27T11:21:00.000-05:002007-02-27T11:21:00.000-05:00Neil:Bruce Gordon is a remarkable talent.I downloa...Neil:<BR/><BR/>Bruce Gordon is a remarkable talent.<BR/><BR/>I downloaded the picture of the white 1980s show frame for my desktop background. <BR/><BR/>Let's see, $4k for the frame, another $2k or so to get the vintage '80s parts to make it just right, and I have a go fast bike I'll maybe ride three times a year. You know if I had a place to keep it safely (maybe my living room wall?) I just might be able to justify it.<BR/><BR/>One thing I have always like about Bruce Gordon is the way he has the seat post bolt where the seat stays meet. Not a lot of builders do that. I have often wondered whether this is because it is difficult to do right, or aesthetics.<BR/><BR/>Finally, the Toeis are quite lovely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172593233749462142007-02-27T11:20:00.000-05:002007-02-27T11:20:00.000-05:00Chris, you can't mount them that way on most norma...Chris, you can't mount them that way on most normal dropouts because there has to be a nut inboard of the dropout and usually that will foul the cassette. The dropouts need to have slightly spread eyelets to allow for this. That being said, I have no idea why this interests me at all; it is a truly trivial detail.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172591863485675622007-02-27T10:57:00.000-05:002007-02-27T10:57:00.000-05:00If Bruce Gordon'd website is current, the show bik...If Bruce Gordon'd website is current, the show bike is for sale. He's an interesting man. I wish I could afford one of his bikes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172590641010313912007-02-27T10:37:00.000-05:002007-02-27T10:37:00.000-05:00Simon Firth? I met him in Copake, New York at the ...Simon Firth? I met him in Copake, New York at the swap before the auction one year. Simon was at Copake with a friend who had a bike Simon had built. What a stunner it was. I wish I has taken pictures. The paint scheme on that bike was extraordinary, and the craftsmanship of the frame was just as nice.<BR/>Ah! The joys of rural NY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172585822029201582007-02-27T09:17:00.000-05:002007-02-27T09:17:00.000-05:00David, I also like the non threaded dropouts, but ...David, I also like the non threaded dropouts, but we are in the minority. Of course it only takes a minute to drill out the threads, which is why I decided to use threaded eyelets on VO frames.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172558863034309442007-02-27T01:47:00.000-05:002007-02-27T01:47:00.000-05:00The Toei cycles in the '05 Tokyo show are breathta...The Toei cycles in the '05 Tokyo show are breathtaking. One little thing I notice is that they've got the fenders mounted with draw bolt fittings at the dropout eyes rather than the P clamps -- i.e., the dropout eyes aren't threaded. Kinda fiddly but I do prefer it that way.<BR/><BR/>The Bruce Gordon is absolutely superb too IMHO, although personally I'd lose the green stem.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172549034765920202007-02-26T23:03:00.000-05:002007-02-26T23:03:00.000-05:00Chris,Evan and I will be there Saturday and Sunday...Chris,<BR/><BR/>Evan and I will be there Saturday and Sunday and we'll make a point of visiting with you. Hope you can make our panel on Sunday afternoon at 2:30 - "Building the long distance bicycle." We have some fantastic panelists, and I am sure all would welcome your contribution to the discussion, as well.<BR/><BR/>See you in San Jose,<BR/><BR/>drAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172528668097672282007-02-26T17:24:00.000-05:002007-02-26T17:24:00.000-05:00The shop will have a few frames and other stuff on...The shop will have a few frames and other stuff on display. But my idea is not to have a big cluttered retail space. Rather, I'd like it to be more like a small gallery with the stock kept in back. <BR/><BR/>Two new thing we might sell for local customers are production fixies and folders, since no shops in the area seems to care about them.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172527471726167722007-02-26T17:04:00.000-05:002007-02-26T17:04:00.000-05:00The shop sounds like a great idea.Are you dressing...The shop sounds like a great idea.<BR/><BR/>Are you dressing the blue bomber for the show?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172526401459258232007-02-26T16:46:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:46:00.000-05:00Joel,Hi, that bike belongs to a friend of mine, hi...Joel,<BR/><BR/>Hi, that bike belongs to a friend of mine, his name is Chad. Hope that bike will win an award, that will be cool. <BR/><BR/>The interesting story about this fixedgear was: it was put on back burner for the Brown Bilenky, then for the Orange Bilenky. Finally it is done and all those bikes will be at the same show. Kind of a small world.<BR/><BR/>RonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1172525535274468822007-02-26T16:32:00.000-05:002007-02-26T16:32:00.000-05:00Sounds like a great weekend in the making. You wi...Sounds like a great weekend in the making. <BR/><BR/>You will have your new bike. Per Andy's post, the bike may even have a chance for an award. And you will get to meet Chris and Famille as well.<BR/><BR/>Me, I am going to be giving the sales force a seminar on the importance of having proper language in contracts. <BR/><BR/>Maybe next year.<BR/><BR/>p.s.: Nice to see the blog server has brought in some security here. I was starting to worry the spam might force Chris to drop the comments section.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com