tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post116828396101564988..comments2024-03-18T10:19:55.782-04:00Comments on The Velo ORANGE Blog: Maxi-car HubsVelo Orangehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-62651226790423646312011-07-21T05:21:51.534-04:002011-07-21T05:21:51.534-04:00I have a 1985 Trek 720 with 126mm rear spacing. I...I have a 1985 Trek 720 with 126mm rear spacing. It came with <a href="http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_ha-i.html" rel="nofollow">The Maillard Helicomatic hub</a> and 27" wheels. About 2 years ago given the dearth of tires in 27", I decided to go to 700c. I also figured I was likely past the life expectancy of the Helicomatic. (oddly Panaracer Pasela are one of the few tires in 27" and I am now running 700c Paselas)<br /><br />My LBS said they could easily spread that 126mm spacing to 130mm to accommodate modern road spacing. So I could use a casette hub.<br /><br />At that time I found on ebay from France some Maxi-car touring hubs brand new. These were 127mm spacing, with solid bolted axles and 40 holes both front and rear.<br /><br />This was just too good to pass up (No Shimano hubs this time around).<br /><br />I have these Maxi-Car hubs and velocity Dyads (Black rims) with tied and soldered spokes and am running Panaracer folding Pasela TG 700c x 37mm tires.<br /><br />Chainrings are 48 x 44 x 28 (eventually this is going to get a 24 in place of the 28) and on back is an IRD 7 speed with 13-32 {[13-15-18-21-24-28-32]} .<br /><br />This gives me a top of around 100 and a low of 23.6<br /><br />The half-step granny is true to 1985.<br /><br />The 24t chainring would get me one gear lower with 20.3 <br /><br />I am using the original Suntour friction Barcons. The Huret Titanium Duopar deraileur was the first part to fail on my 720 ... It became a pretzel long ago.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.vintage-trek.com/TrekBrochures.htm" rel="nofollow">HERE</a><br />you can check out what the 1985 Trek 720 looked like when I bought it new. The helicomatic was a 6 speed. My Trek is the 24 inch size and the SOH is now 34 inches.<br /><br />Pretty cool that the French hubs were replaced with much better French hubs.dan dempseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15536720661510933983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-487482014571175152009-10-22T03:14:07.084-04:002009-10-22T03:14:07.084-04:00Does anyone know how to adapt a Maxicar 126mm rear...Does anyone know how to adapt a Maxicar 126mm rear hub to a 130mm spaced frame?gadflyzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946246460472404085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-25552731432480513062009-10-20T14:39:39.718-04:002009-10-20T14:39:39.718-04:00I felt I ought to raise my voice as I am apparentl...I felt I ought to raise my voice as I am apparently the only person in the universe to have suffered an axle breakage on a rear Maxicar hub (on a Mercian Super Routier). However I have had it since 1981 so must have done about 84K miles on it! I hope people will forgive my sacrilege in replacing it with a Shimano Tiagra... (needs must)Tim Ostlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06173596520575173577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168456113189219122007-01-10T14:08:00.000-05:002007-01-10T14:08:00.000-05:00I've got a Sachs 13-30 7spd freewheel that indexes...I've got a Sachs 13-30 7spd freewheel that indexes great with Shimano derailleurs and 7spd shifters. I've also gotten indexing to work acceptably with 8 and 9spd shifters using the alternate cable-routing trick at the rear derailleur.jim ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02161517903295268167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168454630864586672007-01-10T13:43:00.000-05:002007-01-10T13:43:00.000-05:00I have seen one with a broken axle and I currentl...I have seen one with a broken axle and I currently have one (1970s model, threaded, not hollow) with a bent axle. that being said, it happens to every FW hub if the circumstances are right. (Anyone know where I can get bearings other than the french guy on Ebay?)<BR/><BR/>They are super nice and smooth, but I see them almost as overkill, as most of us bike dork like to tinker around with our bikes, give it an overhaul once every year or so. <BR/><BR/>there is something to be said in something lasting forever. I guess maxicar took me out of the equation.<BR/><BR/>makes me feel like the Maytag repair man. . .<BR/><BR/>by the way, I do have a set of my own, not built up though. I don't have a bike for them yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168452762434855742007-01-10T13:12:00.000-05:002007-01-10T13:12:00.000-05:00Instead of Soft or Hard Management, what about Ass...Instead of Soft or Hard Management, what about Assertive and just telling the truth?<BR/><BR/>Mamby Pamby is worse, and Hard Nose is employees just waiting to screw process up. Employees should police each other for their livelihood, but Mgt would rather pay minimum instead of maximum wages and have a whole lot of losers to contend with. Efficiency and quality 'both' have to be related to pay, average or individual.<BR/><BR/>If time and money are no object that's another story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168451469317629682007-01-10T12:51:00.000-05:002007-01-10T12:51:00.000-05:00I agree with Anon's contention that you have to de...I agree with Anon's contention that you have to design the product to the process. The rest is simply jibberish. Reading on Hard vs Soft mangement - for those who care.<BR/>http://www.extensor.co.uk/articles/soft_and_hard/soft_management.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168445122458254952007-01-10T11:05:00.000-05:002007-01-10T11:05:00.000-05:00Your design should be made with the process in min...Your design should be made with the process in mind. Its hard automating a process that quality was ingrained through labor quasi busy improving quality through whatever took the longest hours. Engineers are afraid of implementing 'true' innovation for their life in little clannish villages depending on soft controlled factories. Eventually, they put them selves out of business.<BR/><BR/>Soft Management kills longterm business to avoid shortterm confrontation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168438534143111152007-01-10T09:15:00.000-05:002007-01-10T09:15:00.000-05:00It is interesting that a number of entrepreneurs h...It is interesting that a number of entrepreneurs have looked into making Max-car hubs again. The rights to the name and some machinery are still available, but even with modern CNC technology no one has tried. <BR/><BR/>One of the reasons Max-car was viable was that most shops and builders bought directly from the factory. Today we have a system of distributors that take a large cut for storing and shipping components. I can's buy hubs directly from Campy or Shimano.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168437869738423742007-01-10T09:04:00.000-05:002007-01-10T09:04:00.000-05:00David,My Rally is one of a handful made in the lat...David,<BR/>My Rally is one of a handful made in the late 80s. It's a closer relative to the Centaur mountain group than any Rally we would recognize. When I bought it I was told that it would index, but never gave a serious thought. Maybe it was just a sales pitch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168437331715853032007-01-10T08:55:00.000-05:002007-01-10T08:55:00.000-05:00Excess capital for robotic machining equipment, wi...Excess capital for robotic machining equipment, with no previous experience is a financial gamble. They have no business making such a huge risk for low margin returns in saturated market against Japanese marketeers.<BR/><BR/>imoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168436645613200242007-01-10T08:44:00.000-05:002007-01-10T08:44:00.000-05:00"As with so many hand machined products, Maxi-car ..."As with so many hand machined products, Maxi-car hubs simply became too costly to manufacture and the company was unwilling to spend the money required to develop a cassette hub."<BR/><BR/>Should read: "As with so much of the French bicycle industry, Maxi-car simply refused to abandon their obsolete manufacturing processes and the company was unwilling to put in the hard work and hours necessary to keep themselves in the business."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168424235263626632007-01-10T05:17:00.000-05:002007-01-10T05:17:00.000-05:00Also under Sproket Spacing in link above, 5mm, lik...Also under Sproket Spacing in link above, 5mm, like you said, was for Campy 8sp and Sachs 7&8 sp. So 5mm is excellent spacing. It also allows more robust SRAM 8 speed chain width.<BR/><BR/>Excellent. I wonder if IRD 5 and 6 sp use this same standardized size. I know who to ask for the 5 speed and will report once found.<BR/><BR/>Thank You!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168423678324211872007-01-10T05:07:00.000-05:002007-01-10T05:07:00.000-05:00Thanks Neil M Berg,Its the same as Shimano and SRA...Thanks Neil M Berg,<BR/><BR/>Its the same as Shimano and SRAM 7 sp (bottom of page in link):<BR/><BR/>http://www.sheldonbrown.com/k7.html<BR/><BR/>May I ask what your inside rear fork spacing is? 126, 130, 128.5??<BR/><BR/>The 5 speed IRD put on a 120mm spaced rear forks was 122.5 final spacing approx.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank You Sir!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168396080476252232007-01-09T21:28:00.000-05:002007-01-09T21:28:00.000-05:00One of the things in the world that wasn't badly t...One of the things in the world that wasn't badly thought out was the last versions of Campy 8s setups. They used a regular 3/32" chain, and simply lasted forever. Not the lightest but the Record Ti gruppos were okay. Mine was in hard use for many tens of thousands of miles, and I recently stuck it on my current Kogswell commuter bike and it still works just fine.<BR/><BR/>That being said, the new 10s Campy and Dura-Ace setups are both sickeningly great. I have no idea how durable they are or aren't, but the ease and accuracy of shifting is simply phenomenal.<BR/><BR/>Neil, unfortunately I highly, highly doubt that your Rally RD will index with an 8-speed setup. The new stuff pulls a ton of cable compared to the old friction setups.Dadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09016373487910801383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168393773045362682007-01-09T20:49:00.000-05:002007-01-09T20:49:00.000-05:00The IRD 7s are 5mm, which means they should index ...The IRD 7s are 5mm, which means they should index with Campy 8. But why would you want to? asked the Old Fart.<BR/>Interesting, as the derailleur I'm using with it is a late 80s Campy Rally which supposedly indexes with Ergo 8. Hum, maybe I should go over to the dark side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168392115528715822007-01-09T20:21:00.000-05:002007-01-09T20:21:00.000-05:00C, you're probably right! There are a lot more Cam...C, you're probably right! There are a lot more Campy and Shimano hubs out there.<BR/><BR/>And it's because Maxi-cars are so uncommon and the circle of users so small that we'd surely hear if an axle broke, or a flange cracked, or something along those lines. But I haven't. <BR/><BR/>Has anyone? Fill me in on this.<BR/><BR/>-alfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168385174626199242007-01-09T18:26:00.000-05:002007-01-09T18:26:00.000-05:00Thanks Neil M Berg!Thanks Neil M Berg!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168384928086649772007-01-09T18:22:00.000-05:002007-01-09T18:22:00.000-05:00My quips in my first post were tongue-in-cheek. Co...My quips in my first post were tongue-in-cheek. Confession: I have an obsession collecting Lucas and Miller bells.<BR/><BR/>But dear, they're not making any more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168382277432648372007-01-09T17:37:00.000-05:002007-01-09T17:37:00.000-05:00I care. I have a IRD 7 at home. I'll post spacing ...I care. I have a IRD 7 at home. I'll post spacing tonight or tomorrow if no one has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168381898135289922007-01-09T17:31:00.000-05:002007-01-09T17:31:00.000-05:00David NJ or an equally bright person,Would you hap...David NJ or an equally bright person,<BR/><BR/>Would you happen to know IRD 5,6,7 speed freewheel spacings?<BR/><BR/>IRD doesn't seem to care or know, one. IRD's posted stack heights on their web page must contain internal assembly freewheel lengths: since they show 6mm greater than normal 120mm 5 speed stack, and one IRD 5 speed owner said 122-123mm fork spacing.<BR/><BR/>If anyone could tell me where I may fing IRD 5, 6,7 sp spacing, I'd be happy. I may have to punt with Shimano HG 7 speed freewheel so I can plan before assembly.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Thank YouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168380522139704572007-01-09T17:08:00.000-05:002007-01-09T17:08:00.000-05:00I hate to get into this and flail around, but comp...I hate to get into this and flail around, but comparing Shimano 105s to Maxi-Cars is simply not fair. The 105s are great, but they will simply not carry the loads the Maxi-Cars were designed for. At least not for very long. I like old Campy hubs, but if I get any heavier, I'm getting me some of them there Maxi-Cars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168377620513662672007-01-09T16:20:00.000-05:002007-01-09T16:20:00.000-05:00David and C, It may surprise to learn that I paid ...David and C, It may surprise to learn that I paid less for these, on E-Bay, than a new set of Phil Wood (non-Ti) hubs would have cost. And unlike PW hubs, they came with quick releases.<BR/><BR/>There are a few dealers, mostly in Europe who still have new Maxi-car hubs, but I'll bet that most are sold on E-bay now. There were quite a few for sale in the Fall, but not many recently. BTW, I can still get new tandem hubs in 36h.Velo Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02835615331417822722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168377427901550722007-01-09T16:17:00.001-05:002007-01-09T16:17:00.001-05:00David,Ebay. I think Chris bought his really well. ...David,<BR/>Ebay. I think Chris bought his really well. Less than $1000 for newer. More than $1000 for older(for wall hangers)and are often collected by the Japanese who seem to have an ongoing love affair with all things French.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24415034.post-1168377424014678842007-01-09T16:17:00.000-05:002007-01-09T16:17:00.000-05:00Well C, you can just as soon argue there is no nee...Well C, you can just as soon argue there is no need for a Patek Phillippe watch, that Boones Farm wine gets you drunk as well as a de Rothschild, and a computer can paint a better image of a woman than Leanardo.<BR/><BR/>Some things are made in a way that makes them quality than other similar things. There may be arguments against the tangible benefits the quality provide. If you cannot see the value in having something like the Maxi-car Hubs, there are a lot of other things out there in the world which can be argued against as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com